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Amazon Relocates Workers Due to Out-of-Control Violence in Downtown Seattle

electrondood 5y ago
The article only references a single incident that I could find. Sensationalist title. Not sure why it's relevant to HN.
- halestock 5y ago
  It cites KOMO as the source - who is owned by Sinclair - so I can't say I'm surprised that it would be so sensationalistic.
- whateveracct 5y ago
  This falls under the category of "NextDoor for tech workers" of standard HN posts :) The people in my Seattle-adjacent NextDoor post the same sort of stuff. They're scared to death of the city.
- funkychicken 5y ago
  Amazon shutting a 1000 person campus sounds at least mention worthy…
advisedwang 5y ago
The issues on 3rd Ave are certainly a major factor, but I doubt it's Amazon's only one. Since the Tax Amazon campaign started in Seattle, Amazon has been planning up to move out - or at least to make it clear to the Seattle city council that they could. (Because the last time this came up I was misunderstood, the intent of this comment is to expand thinking beyond merely taking press releases at face value)
- Taters91 5y ago
  They are moving one office, not the entirety of their downtown offices and South Lake Union campuses. The tax amazon movement has nothing to do with it. It is important to expand thinking, but it isn't a good idea to just make up reasons either.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Amazon likes to threaten to leave, as do other wealthy companies (e.g., Uber and Lyft in California, sports franchises). It's a brazen assertion that they are above the democratic process and other people's votes, and IMHO should get an appropriate response. Those at the other side of the negotiating table should remember that they have a lot to offer, and that the company needs them too. Also, there can be no question of whether someone or some organization is above democracy.
lsllc 5y ago
Dupe, discussed several times in the last 5 days from various sources: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30674661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30674661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30668442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30668442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30635654 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30635654
- KarlKemp 5y ago
  Yes. But, maybe, given another chance, HN can proof that slightly fewer than all its users are social darwinists just waiting for opportunities to wish violence onto everyone below them in the social hierarchy.
faisal_ksa 5y ago
Really sad. I always loved Seattle, and wished to live there. Not anymore.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  Seattle is still really great. Its just a few blocks near a transit hub.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  It's an ongoing dis/misinformation campaign of Republicans/reactionaries/conservatives, to attack in four ways (afaict): To claim that Democratic governments are failures (note they don't attack cities in GOP-run states); to discredit the enormously popular cities, which are living symbols of the success of democrats through their enormous popularity, to attack minorities, and to create a sense of crisis and disruption (something they always do - try to think of the last time those groups projected calm), which invites a strongman government response (such as under Trump). I've read things about other cities that I know personally that were complete nonsense. Data shows that crime is still pretty low overall, and crime increases have been spread evenly between large cities, small towns, etc. Don't let them divide you from what you love or make you scared. That is their goal. Go visit Seattle and see.
monkaiju 5y ago
"In order to address the issues plaguing the area, the Seattle Police Department set up a mobile precinct at the intersection and increased its number of patrolling bike cops." As usual they apply a carceral response that doesnt address any of the underlying causes of violence...

The article only references a single incident that I could find. Sensationalist title. Not sure why it's relevant to HN.

halestock 5y ago
It cites KOMO as the source - who is owned by Sinclair - so I can't say I'm surprised that it would be so sensationalistic.
whateveracct 5y ago
This falls under the category of "NextDoor for tech workers" of standard HN posts :) The people in my Seattle-adjacent NextDoor post the same sort of stuff. They're scared to death of the city.
funkychicken 5y ago
Amazon shutting a 1000 person campus sounds at least mention worthy…

advisedwang 5y ago

The issues on 3rd Ave are certainly a major factor, but I doubt it's Amazon's only one. Since the Tax Amazon campaign started in Seattle, Amazon has been planning up to move out - or at least to make it clear to the Seattle city council that they could. (Because the last time this came up I was misunderstood, the intent of this comment is to expand thinking beyond merely taking press releases at face value)

Taters91 5y ago
They are moving one office, not the entirety of their downtown offices and South Lake Union campuses. The tax amazon movement has nothing to do with it. It is important to expand thinking, but it isn't a good idea to just make up reasons either.
wolverine876 5y ago
Amazon likes to threaten to leave, as do other wealthy companies (e.g., Uber and Lyft in California, sports franchises). It's a brazen assertion that they are above the democratic process and other people's votes, and IMHO should get an appropriate response. Those at the other side of the negotiating table should remember that they have a lot to offer, and that the company needs them too. Also, there can be no question of whether someone or some organization is above democracy.

lsllc 5y ago

Dupe, discussed several times in the last 5 days from various sources: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30674661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30674661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30668442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30668442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30635654 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30635654

KarlKemp 5y ago
Yes. But, maybe, given another chance, HN can proof that slightly fewer than all its users are social darwinists just waiting for opportunities to wish violence onto everyone below them in the social hierarchy.

faisal_ksa 5y ago

Really sad. I always loved Seattle, and wished to live there. Not anymore.

vineyardmike 5y ago
Seattle is still really great. Its just a few blocks near a transit hub.
wolverine876 5y ago
It's an ongoing dis/misinformation campaign of Republicans/reactionaries/conservatives, to attack in four ways (afaict): To claim that Democratic governments are failures (note they don't attack cities in GOP-run states); to discredit the enormously popular cities, which are living symbols of the success of democrats through their enormous popularity, to attack minorities, and to create a sense of crisis and disruption (something they always do - try to think of the last time those groups projected calm), which invites a strongman government response (such as under Trump). I've read things about other cities that I know personally that were complete nonsense. Data shows that crime is still pretty low overall, and crime increases have been spread evenly between large cities, small towns, etc. Don't let them divide you from what you love or make you scared. That is their goal. Go visit Seattle and see.

monkaiju 5y ago

"In order to address the issues plaguing the area, the Seattle Police Department set up a mobile precinct at the intersection and increased its number of patrolling bike cops." As usual they apply a carceral response that doesnt address any of the underlying causes of violence...