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Every single element of design featured on this page looks terrible: the apps and websites visible in screenshots, the blog itself. The excessively rounded ages

Every single element of design featured on this page looks terrible: the apps and websites visible in screenshots, the blog itself. The excessively rounded ages make me feel as if I was in a children's house, where everything was rounded so that children don't hurt themselves hitting their heads on corners, or even on a children's carousel. The text on the website isn't evenly centred inside the boxes (top padding is smaller than bottom padding). Generally the spacing between elements, and between elements and text makes the site cause nausea. Also, compare how much space there is between the word "Date" and the enclosing box (claustrophobic) with how much space there is between the "+" sign and the enclosing box (agoraphobic). Overall, modern design is awful.[1] Regards, A Gen Z-er bitter that Win11 is going to bring round edges back[1] [1]: Yes, it looks like I've run out of positivity for the day. [2]: Rough edges of Win10 were the best thing about its design, that was otherwise questionable in other places.

agrippanux 5y ago
“The excessively rounded ages make me feel as if I was in a children's house, where everything was rounded so that children don't hurt themselves hitting their heads on corners, or even on a children's carousel.” This is exactly why I can’t use MacOS anymore. It’s a neon-pastel-candy-colored, everything-is-rounded, excessive white space UI nightmare for me.
- 5ESS 5y ago
  Have fun missing out on M1. Mac OS Monterey looks fine to me especially on dark mode. What ui element you use often is neon pastel colored exactly besides the window controls and the loading cursor? (Which we’re almost always colorful)
  - olyjohn 5y ago
    Oh no! I'm going to miss out on a processor which is faster than some other processor under certain workloads! Please say it ain't so! Oh god what ever will I do with this x86-based Mac? I guess I'll throw it out for fear of missing out on... something...
    - 5ESS 5y ago
      Nothing else competes for power:performance ratio. Furthermore only M1s can score 300+ on browserbench. I bet the M1 Ultra will score in the 350-400 range, while Windows PCs can barely peak 220. This is because M1s have AI cores designed specially optimized for web browsing instructions. Browsing the internet simply feels 30% smoother on my M1 than it does on any x86 PC (I use chrome-dev --args --enable-features=CanvasOopRasterization --use-cmd-decoder=passthrough on both OS's) So if you do browser heavy workloads and web app programming like I do nothing else competes.
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- yakubin 5y ago
  I feel similarly about macOS. The Snow Leopard/Mojave-era rounded-edges were at least passable. But what they did in Big Sur (re edges, padding and colours) is straight up comedic. Unfortunately, it appears to be the platform with the best selection of desktop apps.
5ESS 5y ago
The spacing is messed up here and some of the sizing is questionable but there’s only 2 instances of rounded corners I see so I think your exaggerating a bit. That being said it doesn’t invoke the feeling of a safe dating app to me.
neilpanchal 5y ago
We think alike. I am building a UI framework that goes against the grain of basically all contemporary design. It will echo the Berkeley Graphics philosophy: Emergent over prescribed aesthetics. Expose state and inner workings. Dense, not sparse. Explicit is better than implicit. Regiment functionalism. Performance is design. Verbosity over opaqueness. Ignore design trends. Timeless and unfashionable. Flat, not hierarchical. Diametrically opposite of minimalism. As complex as it needs to be. Driven by specifications and datasheets. Beauty emerges automatically without deliberation. Do not infantilize users. Humans can handle complexity. Especially, building UIs for technical people. McMasterCarr is being used by millions, yet it looks so unlike today's contemporary bloat: https://www.mcmaster.com/ https://www.mcmaster.com/ If you're interested, sign up here: https://berkeleygraphics.com/newsletters/ https://berkeleygraphics.com/newsletters/
- closetohome 5y ago
  I think those are all good ideas. Minimalist design trends have nothing to do with generational taste, and everything to do with practicality. As technology became more ubiquitous we had to design for less technically-literate people, period. Simplicity, if nothing else, generally makes it harder for people to get in trouble with the UI. It definitely went too far, but the inspiration was for the most part usability, not aesthetics.
dleslie 5y ago
I recently downgraded all my Windows machines to Win10, because they UI and ads were obnoxious. I'd prefer Win7, or better, Win2K, but driver support only goes so far back.

agrippanux 5y ago

“The excessively rounded ages make me feel as if I was in a children's house, where everything was rounded so that children don't hurt themselves hitting their heads on corners, or even on a children's carousel.” This is exactly why I can’t use MacOS anymore. It’s a neon-pastel-candy-colored, everything-is-rounded, excessive white space UI nightmare for me.

5ESS 5y ago
Have fun missing out on M1. Mac OS Monterey looks fine to me especially on dark mode. What ui element you use often is neon pastel colored exactly besides the window controls and the loading cursor? (Which we’re almost always colorful)
- olyjohn 5y ago
  Oh no! I'm going to miss out on a processor which is faster than some other processor under certain workloads! Please say it ain't so! Oh god what ever will I do with this x86-based Mac? I guess I'll throw it out for fear of missing out on... something...
  - 5ESS 5y ago
    Nothing else competes for power:performance ratio. Furthermore only M1s can score 300+ on browserbench. I bet the M1 Ultra will score in the 350-400 range, while Windows PCs can barely peak 220. This is because M1s have AI cores designed specially optimized for web browsing instructions. Browsing the internet simply feels 30% smoother on my M1 than it does on any x86 PC (I use chrome-dev --args --enable-features=CanvasOopRasterization --use-cmd-decoder=passthrough on both OS's) So if you do browser heavy workloads and web app programming like I do nothing else competes.
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yakubin 5y ago
I feel similarly about macOS. The Snow Leopard/Mojave-era rounded-edges were at least passable. But what they did in Big Sur (re edges, padding and colours) is straight up comedic. Unfortunately, it appears to be the platform with the best selection of desktop apps.

5ESS 5y ago

The spacing is messed up here and some of the sizing is questionable but there’s only 2 instances of rounded corners I see so I think your exaggerating a bit. That being said it doesn’t invoke the feeling of a safe dating app to me.

neilpanchal 5y ago

We think alike. I am building a UI framework that goes against the grain of basically all contemporary design. It will echo the Berkeley Graphics philosophy: Emergent over prescribed aesthetics. Expose state and inner workings. Dense, not sparse. Explicit is better than implicit. Regiment functionalism. Performance is design. Verbosity over opaqueness. Ignore design trends. Timeless and unfashionable. Flat, not hierarchical. Diametrically opposite of minimalism. As complex as it needs to be. Driven by specifications and datasheets. Beauty emerges automatically without deliberation. Do not infantilize users. Humans can handle complexity. Especially, building UIs for technical people. McMasterCarr is being used by millions, yet it looks so unlike today's contemporary bloat: https://www.mcmaster.com/ https://www.mcmaster.com/ If you're interested, sign up here: https://berkeleygraphics.com/newsletters/ https://berkeleygraphics.com/newsletters/

closetohome 5y ago
I think those are all good ideas. Minimalist design trends have nothing to do with generational taste, and everything to do with practicality. As technology became more ubiquitous we had to design for less technically-literate people, period. Simplicity, if nothing else, generally makes it harder for people to get in trouble with the UI. It definitely went too far, but the inspiration was for the most part usability, not aesthetics.

dleslie 5y ago

I recently downgraded all my Windows machines to Win10, because they UI and ads were obnoxious. I'd prefer Win7, or better, Win2K, but driver support only goes so far back.