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...isn't the whole idea of such "back sites" that once anyone gets into them, they are NEVER getting out alive? Torture and atrocities asside, I'd imagine most

...isn't the whole idea of such "back sites" that once anyone gets into them, they are NEVER getting out alive? Torture and atrocities asside, I'd imagine most organized crime syndicates run tighter ships (eg. the standard dissolve the bodies of torture victims + kill the "torture service providers" too at regular intervals then re-recruit new ones etc.) ...this seem so beyond sloppy it's clearly a political s throwing play.

spacechild1 5y ago
I thought the same. But maybe they just do (have) not care. History has shown that the US can do all sorts of horrendous things and nothing ever seems to happen...
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  "History has shown that the US can do all sorts of horrendous things and nothing ever seems to happen..." Well, nothing except: 1 - make lots of enemies 2 - make the world a more dangerous place 3 - lose the moral high ground and the respect of people/countries who might have otherwise been friends These things have consequences... measured in American lives (which are, sadly, the only kind of lives some people care about)... but also in many other lives.
  - mandmandam 5y ago
    Up to 8 billion present human lives, trillions or qaudrillions of potential human lives, and uncountable animal and plant lives. That's not exaggeration. Those are the stakes America is fucking around with by provoking the world like this and spooking the shit out of everyone.
    - pmoriarty 5y ago
      It's not just America either... plenty of blame to go around. Power corrupts.
      - mandmandam 5y ago
        That's fair. I would say though that in terms of the ratio between self praise and evil shit, there's a very clear winner way, way out in front.
  - nebula8804 5y ago
    >These things have consequences... measured in American lives (which are, sadly, the only kind of lives some people care about)... but also in many other lives. If we have learned anything from the past 2 years, its not even all American lives. Some American lives are treated with utmost care while others barely register a blip on their radar.
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Epiphany21 5y ago
Organized crime torturing people makes for an interesting TV show plot but in reality it's the exception. Kidnapping and torture carry far harsher penalties than most other (vastly more profitable) crimes. If mobsters want information they usually just pay for it. Money is the best tool for convincing people to betray their convictions and break promises. What was the old saying again? Thirty pieces of silver? The difference is the CIA doesn't care about making money. They're secret police gone wild. They have no financial, legal or moral constraints, and the results were wholly predictable.
worik 5y ago
A wonderful thing (among many) about American society is openness. We get to see inside the machine. Often what we see, in the military machine is ugly. No surprise. It is not that the American military are worse, the problem is they are more powerful. (As I have commented elsewhere here) It is possible for the Americans to be a beacon of light in a dark world. It is a choice for them. They have chosen the path of darkness. Such a waste
Gollapalli 5y ago
Honestly, that’s the worst part of it. Sometimes people need to die and ugly things need to happen, but our overreliance on these means and how frankly unquiet our “quiet work” is is just sickening. I don’t know what’s involved in this kind of work, but if these are our best I’m very disappointed.

spacechild1 5y ago

I thought the same. But maybe they just do (have) not care. History has shown that the US can do all sorts of horrendous things and nothing ever seems to happen...

pmoriarty 5y ago
"History has shown that the US can do all sorts of horrendous things and nothing ever seems to happen..." Well, nothing except: 1 - make lots of enemies 2 - make the world a more dangerous place 3 - lose the moral high ground and the respect of people/countries who might have otherwise been friends These things have consequences... measured in American lives (which are, sadly, the only kind of lives some people care about)... but also in many other lives.
- mandmandam 5y ago
  Up to 8 billion present human lives, trillions or qaudrillions of potential human lives, and uncountable animal and plant lives. That's not exaggeration. Those are the stakes America is fucking around with by provoking the world like this and spooking the shit out of everyone.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    It's not just America either... plenty of blame to go around. Power corrupts.
    - mandmandam 5y ago
      That's fair. I would say though that in terms of the ratio between self praise and evil shit, there's a very clear winner way, way out in front.
- nebula8804 5y ago
  >These things have consequences... measured in American lives (which are, sadly, the only kind of lives some people care about)... but also in many other lives. If we have learned anything from the past 2 years, its not even all American lives. Some American lives are treated with utmost care while others barely register a blip on their radar.

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Epiphany21 5y ago

Organized crime torturing people makes for an interesting TV show plot but in reality it's the exception. Kidnapping and torture carry far harsher penalties than most other (vastly more profitable) crimes. If mobsters want information they usually just pay for it. Money is the best tool for convincing people to betray their convictions and break promises. What was the old saying again? Thirty pieces of silver? The difference is the CIA doesn't care about making money. They're secret police gone wild. They have no financial, legal or moral constraints, and the results were wholly predictable.

worik 5y ago

A wonderful thing (among many) about American society is openness. We get to see inside the machine. Often what we see, in the military machine is ugly. No surprise. It is not that the American military are worse, the problem is they are more powerful. (As I have commented elsewhere here) It is possible for the Americans to be a beacon of light in a dark world. It is a choice for them. They have chosen the path of darkness. Such a waste

Gollapalli 5y ago

Honestly, that’s the worst part of it. Sometimes people need to die and ugly things need to happen, but our overreliance on these means and how frankly unquiet our “quiet work” is is just sickening. I don’t know what’s involved in this kind of work, but if these are our best I’m very disappointed.