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Is this a sign zen4 is delayed? I get they need new motherboards and socket, and DDR5 etc.., but launching zen3 stuff now is strange. A lot of us already upgrad

by awill 5y ago

Is this a sign zen4 is delayed? I get they need new motherboards and socket, and DDR5 etc.., but launching zen3 stuff now is strange. A lot of us already upgraded.

hajile 5y ago
I believe this was always the plan. This is the refresh with the next chips due late this year to early next year.
blihp 5y ago
I don't take it that way. Zen 4 is likely to only release high-end parts at first. Given the timing of these releases, I'd expect Zen 3 to serve as the mid- to low-end of the product range at least through mid- to late-2023 if not longer. Given the way AMD sandbagged these parts this generation, they'll probably hold off as long as possible next generation for low-end Zen 4 too.
mjevans 5y ago
I couldn't get past the scalpers in 2020. That was already a _slightly_ delayed refresh driven by a combination of less than stellar AMD GPUs (Linux, so nVidia's not a good option) and cryptominer hell to that point. It's going to be 2 years later, and at this point I'd rather jump directly from DDR3 to DDR5.
- awill 5y ago
  I thought the Radeon 6800 was a pretty good launch. Didn't it hold up with Nvidia in most benchmarks except RT?
  - mjevans 5y ago
    That would be the scalpers issue, both for the card and the rest of the system to make it worth upgrading the card.
    - awill 5y ago
      I got lucky and got a 6800 from AMD.com (wanted the 6800XT). It was pretty sucky that AMD said they'd have a lot of supply, and then didn't.
sliken 5y ago
Not heard that, but Alder lake has taken back most of the market share the Zen 3 managed to take from Intel. So a response sooner than later will help protect marketshare. In particular they are doubling down on the lower power chips that ADL is having problems competing with. ADL is fast, but power hungry. Thus chips like the 5700x with a 65 watt tdp instead of the previous 8c/16t chip with a 105 watt TDP.

by awill 5y ago

Is this a sign zen4 is delayed? I get they need new motherboards and socket, and DDR5 etc.., but launching zen3 stuff now is strange. A lot of us already upgraded.

hajile 5y ago

I believe this was always the plan. This is the refresh with the next chips due late this year to early next year.

blihp 5y ago

I don't take it that way. Zen 4 is likely to only release high-end parts at first. Given the timing of these releases, I'd expect Zen 3 to serve as the mid- to low-end of the product range at least through mid- to late-2023 if not longer. Given the way AMD sandbagged these parts this generation, they'll probably hold off as long as possible next generation for low-end Zen 4 too.

mjevans 5y ago

I couldn't get past the scalpers in 2020. That was already a _slightly_ delayed refresh driven by a combination of less than stellar AMD GPUs (Linux, so nVidia's not a good option) and cryptominer hell to that point. It's going to be 2 years later, and at this point I'd rather jump directly from DDR3 to DDR5.

awill 5y ago
I thought the Radeon 6800 was a pretty good launch. Didn't it hold up with Nvidia in most benchmarks except RT?
- mjevans 5y ago
  That would be the scalpers issue, both for the card and the rest of the system to make it worth upgrading the card.
  - awill 5y ago
    I got lucky and got a 6800 from AMD.com (wanted the 6800XT). It was pretty sucky that AMD said they'd have a lot of supply, and then didn't.

sliken 5y ago

Not heard that, but Alder lake has taken back most of the market share the Zen 3 managed to take from Intel. So a response sooner than later will help protect marketshare. In particular they are doubling down on the lower power chips that ADL is having problems competing with. ADL is fast, but power hungry. Thus chips like the 5700x with a 65 watt tdp instead of the previous 8c/16t chip with a 105 watt TDP.