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Sure, simple websites mostly work in Safari. But we're in 2022, and indeed a lot of companies develop web apps, and not simple websites like 20 years ago. The

by agust 5y ago

Sure, simple websites mostly work in Safari. But we're in 2022, and indeed a lot of companies develop web apps, and not simple websites like 20 years ago. The web itself is an app platform. The only browser preventing it to happen on mobile is Safari. Have a look at the desktop. There, web apps have replaced most native apps long ago.

dmitriid 5y ago
> The web itself is an app platform. It's not. And frankly will never be. > The only browser preventing it to happen on mobile is Safari. It's not preventing anything > look at the desktop. There, web apps have replaced most native apps long ago. What a strange fantasy world you live in.
- agust 5y ago
  Very convincing, thank you for this well argued response.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    It's in the vein of your statements, and it takes too much time to explain why this is wrong. And this has been said many times before by many people far more eloquent and knowledgable than I. Yet this sentiment persists (even if it's driven by emotion on the one hand and relentless Chrome propaganda on the other).
- mccorrinall 5y ago
  I use a lot of web applications like tradingview.com and need web push notifications. Safari still does not support them and it’s so annoying.
tarsinge 5y ago
That's not in contradiction with what I said. I have nothing against web apps and I'm not arguing against their success. But they don't make the web irrelevant, they are just something different, just historically built on top of the web. And indeed when we have a look at the desktop it further proves the point, Electron apps ship their whole execution platform, basically an OS inside an OS, and it's Chrome. So the divorce between Chrome the app platform and the web has already started. Safari is a blessing for me because it force that issue to crop up and be discussed, instead of just letting the web slowly become the Google platform.

by agust 5y ago

dmitriid 5y ago

> The web itself is an app platform. It's not. And frankly will never be. > The only browser preventing it to happen on mobile is Safari. It's not preventing anything > look at the desktop. There, web apps have replaced most native apps long ago. What a strange fantasy world you live in.

agust 5y ago
Very convincing, thank you for this well argued response.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  It's in the vein of your statements, and it takes too much time to explain why this is wrong. And this has been said many times before by many people far more eloquent and knowledgable than I. Yet this sentiment persists (even if it's driven by emotion on the one hand and relentless Chrome propaganda on the other).
mccorrinall 5y ago
I use a lot of web applications like tradingview.com and need web push notifications. Safari still does not support them and it’s so annoying.

tarsinge 5y ago

That's not in contradiction with what I said. I have nothing against web apps and I'm not arguing against their success. But they don't make the web irrelevant, they are just something different, just historically built on top of the web. And indeed when we have a look at the desktop it further proves the point, Electron apps ship their whole execution platform, basically an OS inside an OS, and it's Chrome. So the divorce between Chrome the app platform and the web has already started. Safari is a blessing for me because it force that issue to crop up and be discussed, instead of just letting the web slowly become the Google platform.