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Most people using tor aren't terrorists, oligarchs, extremists or career criminals though.

iamnotarobotman 5y ago
Have you finally cracked the Tor network yet to find and trace all those Nazis, extremists, hitmen and terrorists that are still hiding there to make that unfounded claim?
- justinclift 5y ago
  Seems to be exactly as unfounded as yours, yes?
  - iamnotarobotman 5y ago
    Is it? There's just too many to list here, even after the shutting down of Silk Road, but these crackdowns cannot be ignored; and look what they found. Majority of criminals using it once again. [0] https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/08/349016/a-dark-web-tycoon-pleads-guilty-but-how-was-he-caught/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/08/349016/a-dark-we... [1] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2845616/biggest-ever-tor-raid-hits-410-underground-sites-17-arrested.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2845616/biggest-ever-t...
    - nyanpasu64 5y ago
      You're moving the goalposts. The people operating darknet markets are not Nazis, extremists, and generally not hitmen and terrorists. I have heard that many onion services host child sexual abuse imagery though, but I've never looked for reliable citations or personally verified.
      - iamnotarobotman 5y ago
        > You're moving the goalposts. Am I? Or didn't I just say 'There's just too many to list here' and just listed the notable examples. > The people operating darknet markets are not Nazis, extremists, and generally not hitmen and terrorists. So who operated those Tor nodes and services of multiple darknet websites in [0] and [1]? Another cybercriminal. > I've never looked for reliable citations or personally verified. Talking about 'movings goal posts' and missing the whole 'anonymity' point of Tor. Only time will tell, but so far a great use case for criminals, extremists and terrorists using it. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/technolog/how-anonymous-tor-users-compromised-child-porn-takedown-6c10848680 https://www.nbcnews.com/technolog/how-anonymous-tor-users-co... [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/08/349016/a-dark-web-tycoon-pleads-guilty-but-how-was-he-caught/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/08/349016/a-dark-we...
    - justinclift 5y ago
      k. And what about the people using it who aren't criminals, so aren't reported in the press?
WesternWind 5y ago
I'm actually moving the goal posts, and I should be explicit. I'm using career criminals to differentiate from people who are violating laws but not for personal gain, for example those that require them to use censored services, or buying drugs, both of which may be technically criminal in their countries.

Have you finally cracked the Tor network yet to find and trace all those Nazis, extremists, hitmen and terrorists that are still hiding there to make that unfounded claim?

justinclift 5y ago
Seems to be exactly as unfounded as yours, yes?
- iamnotarobotman 5y ago
  Is it? There's just too many to list here, even after the shutting down of Silk Road, but these crackdowns cannot be ignored; and look what they found. Majority of criminals using it once again. [0] https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/08/349016/a-dark-web-tycoon-pleads-guilty-but-how-was-he-caught/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/08/349016/a-dark-we... [1] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2845616/biggest-ever-tor-raid-hits-410-underground-sites-17-arrested.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2845616/biggest-ever-t...
  - nyanpasu64 5y ago
    You're moving the goalposts. The people operating darknet markets are not Nazis, extremists, and generally not hitmen and terrorists. I have heard that many onion services host child sexual abuse imagery though, but I've never looked for reliable citations or personally verified.
    - iamnotarobotman 5y ago
      > You're moving the goalposts. Am I? Or didn't I just say 'There's just too many to list here' and just listed the notable examples. > The people operating darknet markets are not Nazis, extremists, and generally not hitmen and terrorists. So who operated those Tor nodes and services of multiple darknet websites in [0] and [1]? Another cybercriminal. > I've never looked for reliable citations or personally verified. Talking about 'movings goal posts' and missing the whole 'anonymity' point of Tor. Only time will tell, but so far a great use case for criminals, extremists and terrorists using it. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/technolog/how-anonymous-tor-users-compromised-child-porn-takedown-6c10848680 https://www.nbcnews.com/technolog/how-anonymous-tor-users-co... [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/08/349016/a-dark-web-tycoon-pleads-guilty-but-how-was-he-caught/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/08/349016/a-dark-we...
  - justinclift 5y ago
    k. And what about the people using it who aren't criminals, so aren't reported in the press?

WesternWind 5y ago

I'm actually moving the goal posts, and I should be explicit. I'm using career criminals to differentiate from people who are violating laws but not for personal gain, for example those that require them to use censored services, or buying drugs, both of which may be technically criminal in their countries.