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From a European point of view this is really strange and the emphasis on the external aspect of someone seems to be the key. Trevor Noah, like the leading Frenc

From a European point of view this is really strange and the emphasis on the external aspect of someone seems to be the key. Trevor Noah, like the leading French player or even the former US president all have a white parent but somehow everybody define them as black or Afro-xxx. This is for me a strange perception. Some people from north Africa cannot really be really distinguished from a south European person and nobody would call them Afro something. So it's not the continent but the external aspect of that person that is defining the person and the color is taking precedence on everything. I think this is what most people in France won't agree with.

dagw 5y ago
Trevor Noah, like the leading French player or even the former US president all have a white parent but somehow everybody define them as black or Afro-xxx. This is for me a strange perception. At least in Trevor Noah's case he grew up in South Africa where he was absolutely and objectively treated differently under law due to one of his parents being black. The fact that his other parent was white did not give him any advantages on that front. I imagine that colors his world view quite a lot. The US used to be the same not that long ago. Didn't matter if both or only one of your parents where "black", you were equally banned from the 'whites only' parts of society. Even today in the US racists probably won't be less racist against you just because one of your parents are white. the external aspect of that person that is defining the person and the color is taking precedence on everything Basically yea, at least in the US. I think the best working definition you will find for 'black' is would the person have been kicked out of a "Whites only" establishment in the Southern US in the 50s. My gut feeling is that that is the definition most Americans instinctively use.

dagw 5y ago

Trevor Noah, like the leading French player or even the former US president all have a white parent but somehow everybody define them as black or Afro-xxx. This is for me a strange perception. At least in Trevor Noah's case he grew up in South Africa where he was absolutely and objectively treated differently under law due to one of his parents being black. The fact that his other parent was white did not give him any advantages on that front. I imagine that colors his world view quite a lot. The US used to be the same not that long ago. Didn't matter if both or only one of your parents where "black", you were equally banned from the 'whites only' parts of society. Even today in the US racists probably won't be less racist against you just because one of your parents are white. the external aspect of that person that is defining the person and the color is taking precedence on everything Basically yea, at least in the US. I think the best working definition you will find for 'black' is would the person have been kicked out of a "Whites only" establishment in the Southern US in the 50s. My gut feeling is that that is the definition most Americans instinctively use.