> If anything, Ukraine shows that civilization doesn't necessarily immediately collapse. It’s been 20 days. I’d refrain from being overly optimistic just now.

> If anything, Ukraine shows that civilization doesn't necessarily immediately collapse. It’s been 20 days. I’d refrain from being overly optimistic just now. More likely than a full civilisation collapse is a return to feudal tribalism as in Afghanistan and Lybia, which is not very good either.