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> Travel outside the USA and every kid you meet has heard of Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham. If I were French or Spanish rather than British, these kids would s

> Travel outside the USA and every kid you meet has heard of Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham. If I were French or Spanish rather than British, these kids would say PSG or Real Madrid instead. I think what you mean by "travel outside the USA" might be "travel in Europe". I'd bet that you'd get more recognition of the Lakers in, say, China than any of those Premier League teams. > But I would argue England is well known for its sports teams rather than London. (There's also Manchester, Liverpool etc.) That's fair, those two cities are probably known for their football teams moreso than anything else.

srhngpr 5y ago
>I think what you mean by "travel outside the USA" might be "travel in Europe". I'd bet that you'd get more recognition of the Lakers in, say, China than any of those Premier League teams. Hard disagree on this one. It is in fact "outside the USA" because globally (not just in Europe), English Premier League teams like Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, etc. are extremely popular, especially in China.
- goosedragons 5y ago
  Nobody cares in Canada either. So "outside the USA" is wrong.
- TulliusCicero 5y ago
  https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-china-most-popular-sports-league-premier-league-champions-league-curry/ https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-china-most-popular-s... > The National Basketball Association (NBA) has been named the most popular sports league in China in a recent survey undertaken by Ampere Analysis. > Soccer’s English Premier League and Uefa Champions League ranked second and third respectively, in the report that conducted research with Chinese internet users. So, the EPL is indeed popular there...but not as popular as the NBA.
  - bprieto 5y ago
    Being the most popular sport league is not the same as being the most popular sport. Out of ten league positions, basket has #1 and #10. Soccer has #2, #3, #4, #6, #7 and #9.
    - caddemon 5y ago
      Yeah but that wasn't the original statement, the argument was that a Chinese person would be more likely to recognize the LA Lakers than a London pro soccer team. So popularity of the NBA specifically is quite relevant. Also, you see people wearing NY Yankees hats globally. Some of them don't even seem to know anything about baseball and just think it is some sort of NY merch. But still there are absolutely American sports teams that have recognizable brands more globally.
      - frameset 5y ago
        I get what you're saying, but you might not be realising that the top teams from the EPL _also_ play in the UCL. It's a "super league" made up of the top European soccer teams from the domestic leagues. There must surely be some kind of cumulative recognition effect from playing in both leagues.
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Symbiote 5y ago
No, I meant the entire world except the USA, Canada and probably Japan -- although I haven't been to Japan. I may be out of date for China, I haven't been there for over 10 years. My place of birth (in my passport) is an English city with a football team named after it. Outside Europe, in places with not so many tourists, it is very common for staff in hotels to recognize this and make some comment on it. Kids (and adults) who talk to me in the street will also comment on it — on the city's team if I say where I'm from, or with Manchester, Chelsea etc if I just say England/Britain. I look up the names of the famous players before I travel to Africa or South America, so I don't seem like some ignorant idiot when hotel staff (or in one case, a border guard) open my passport and say "Thomas Partey! What a goal!". Bear in mind the best European football teams often have a lot of foreign players. Chelsea currently have players from Spain, Germany, Denmark, Italy, Brazil, France, Croatia, Belgium, USA, England (only 8/26), Senegal, Mococco and France. Arsenal add Ghana, Norway, Portugal, Japan, Ivory Coast, Egypt, Switzerland. Tottenham Argentina, Ireland, Korea, Colombia, Sweden, Uruguay. Many people are aware when if a player from their country plays for a famous European team. They often also play for their national team, or used to. (I have no interest in football myself, which is partly why it's so noticeable to me when people ask me about it so much.)
bprieto 5y ago
I'm Spanish, and wherever I've been in Africa, South America or Asia, everybody ask me if I support Real Madrid or FC Barcelona, soccer teams of the main cities here. And the number 1 visited museum in Madrid is not the Prado, which is one of the 5 top art museums in the World, but Real Madrid museum in their stadium.
cameronh90 5y ago
Liverpool is definitely more known for The Beatles than its football team. I'm also going to have to disagree on the Europe point. South America, Mexico and Africa in particular are obsessed with football, and Russia, China and some parts of SEA are also huge football fans. Many of these will be well aware of the top British and Spanish football teams. On the other hand, basketball is also very popular in Asia so I don't know exactly how that would break.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > Liverpool is definitely more known for The Beatles than its football team. You got any data on that? AFAIK lots of younger people have no idea what the Beatles were.
thorin 5y ago
I bumped into kids in villages in the middle of no where with no internet and few TVs in the Himalayas and Central Africa that could list all the premier league teams. It's hard to imagine how popular football is worldwide for an American.
- rascul 5y ago
  > It's hard to imagine how popular football is worldwide for an American. It's really not that hard.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > > It's hard to imagine how popular football is worldwide for an American. > It's really not that hard. Depends what you mean by football. The GP, for example, apparently meant actual foot-ball football, not American hand-egg. Does that change your assessment?
long_time_gone 5y ago
> I think what you mean by "travel outside the USA" might be "travel in Europe". I'd bet that you'd get more recognition of the Lakers in, say, China than any of those Premier League teams. You are still forgetting a few continents. I know from experience that Central and South America complexity stop for Champions League finals. I it’s quite possible that Liverpool is known more for The Beatles than football.

srhngpr 5y ago

>I think what you mean by "travel outside the USA" might be "travel in Europe". I'd bet that you'd get more recognition of the Lakers in, say, China than any of those Premier League teams. Hard disagree on this one. It is in fact "outside the USA" because globally (not just in Europe), English Premier League teams like Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, etc. are extremely popular, especially in China.

goosedragons 5y ago
Nobody cares in Canada either. So "outside the USA" is wrong.
TulliusCicero 5y ago
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-china-most-popular-sports-league-premier-league-champions-league-curry/ https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-china-most-popular-s... > The National Basketball Association (NBA) has been named the most popular sports league in China in a recent survey undertaken by Ampere Analysis. > Soccer’s English Premier League and Uefa Champions League ranked second and third respectively, in the report that conducted research with Chinese internet users. So, the EPL is indeed popular there...but not as popular as the NBA.
- bprieto 5y ago
  Being the most popular sport league is not the same as being the most popular sport. Out of ten league positions, basket has #1 and #10. Soccer has #2, #3, #4, #6, #7 and #9.
  - caddemon 5y ago
    Yeah but that wasn't the original statement, the argument was that a Chinese person would be more likely to recognize the LA Lakers than a London pro soccer team. So popularity of the NBA specifically is quite relevant. Also, you see people wearing NY Yankees hats globally. Some of them don't even seem to know anything about baseball and just think it is some sort of NY merch. But still there are absolutely American sports teams that have recognizable brands more globally.
    - frameset 5y ago
      I get what you're saying, but you might not be realising that the top teams from the EPL _also_ play in the UCL. It's a "super league" made up of the top European soccer teams from the domestic leagues. There must surely be some kind of cumulative recognition effect from playing in both leagues.
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Symbiote 5y ago

No, I meant the entire world except the USA, Canada and probably Japan -- although I haven't been to Japan. I may be out of date for China, I haven't been there for over 10 years. My place of birth (in my passport) is an English city with a football team named after it. Outside Europe, in places with not so many tourists, it is very common for staff in hotels to recognize this and make some comment on it. Kids (and adults) who talk to me in the street will also comment on it — on the city's team if I say where I'm from, or with Manchester, Chelsea etc if I just say England/Britain. I look up the names of the famous players before I travel to Africa or South America, so I don't seem like some ignorant idiot when hotel staff (or in one case, a border guard) open my passport and say "Thomas Partey! What a goal!". Bear in mind the best European football teams often have a lot of foreign players. Chelsea currently have players from Spain, Germany, Denmark, Italy, Brazil, France, Croatia, Belgium, USA, England (only 8/26), Senegal, Mococco and France. Arsenal add Ghana, Norway, Portugal, Japan, Ivory Coast, Egypt, Switzerland. Tottenham Argentina, Ireland, Korea, Colombia, Sweden, Uruguay. Many people are aware when if a player from their country plays for a famous European team. They often also play for their national team, or used to. (I have no interest in football myself, which is partly why it's so noticeable to me when people ask me about it so much.)

bprieto 5y ago

I'm Spanish, and wherever I've been in Africa, South America or Asia, everybody ask me if I support Real Madrid or FC Barcelona, soccer teams of the main cities here. And the number 1 visited museum in Madrid is not the Prado, which is one of the 5 top art museums in the World, but Real Madrid museum in their stadium.

cameronh90 5y ago

Liverpool is definitely more known for The Beatles than its football team. I'm also going to have to disagree on the Europe point. South America, Mexico and Africa in particular are obsessed with football, and Russia, China and some parts of SEA are also huge football fans. Many of these will be well aware of the top British and Spanish football teams. On the other hand, basketball is also very popular in Asia so I don't know exactly how that would break.

CRConrad 5y ago
> Liverpool is definitely more known for The Beatles than its football team. You got any data on that? AFAIK lots of younger people have no idea what the Beatles were.

thorin 5y ago

I bumped into kids in villages in the middle of no where with no internet and few TVs in the Himalayas and Central Africa that could list all the premier league teams. It's hard to imagine how popular football is worldwide for an American.

rascul 5y ago
> It's hard to imagine how popular football is worldwide for an American. It's really not that hard.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > > It's hard to imagine how popular football is worldwide for an American. > It's really not that hard. Depends what you mean by football. The GP, for example, apparently meant actual foot-ball football, not American hand-egg. Does that change your assessment?

long_time_gone 5y ago

> I think what you mean by "travel outside the USA" might be "travel in Europe". I'd bet that you'd get more recognition of the Lakers in, say, China than any of those Premier League teams. You are still forgetting a few continents. I know from experience that Central and South America complexity stop for Champions League finals. I it’s quite possible that Liverpool is known more for The Beatles than football.