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>Plenty of high prestige world cities like Tokyo or London or Paris aren't known for their pro sports teams. They seem to suffer little for it. Ehhhh... What?

>Plenty of high prestige world cities like Tokyo or London or Paris aren't known for their pro sports teams. They seem to suffer little for it. Ehhhh... What? I could follow your argument until this line but Paris and especially London are absolutely known for sport teams.

lostlogin 5y ago
How many days since one of their clubs was front page international news? Chelsea football club was near the front in New Zealand this week, I don’t follow football at all and I recall it. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/463098/chelsea-now-owned-by-the-uk-government https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/463098/chelsea-now-owned-by...
- stdbrouw 5y ago
  I don't know if this is what you're getting at, but Chelsea is in London.
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    That’s exactly what I’m getting at.
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- KineticLensman 5y ago
  > How many days since one of their clubs was front page international news? Chelsea football club was near the front in New Zealand this week London-based club Chelsea has been front page news in the UK this week because its Russian owner (Roman Abramovich) has been targeted by sanctions imposed as a result of the invasion of Ukraine, throwing the future of the club (and its massively expensive players) into doubt. Some casual googling shows that this story has been covered by Fox News, Deutsche Welle in Germany, Italy 24 News and others
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    Yes, that’s what I mean. Their affairs are international news.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal and at keat Paris Saint Germain are regularly big -- perhaps not front-page, but big -- news over much of at least Europe even without controversies about an oligarch owner being sanctioned.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > keat *least
TulliusCicero 5y ago
I admit, I have a hard time believing that there are many people who would've never heard of London or Paris if not for their pro sports teams. There are absolutely some cities where I can believe it, like Liverpool or Manchester, but London and Paris?
- lostlogin 5y ago
  The double negative is making my head hurt and it’s late - to confirm, you are saying: People would have heard of London or Paris with or without their sports teams. Would you say the same of Manchester or Liverpool if their teams didn’t exist?
PoignardAzur 5y ago
It's a bit of a stretch to say that Paris is known for the Paris-Saint-Germain.
- smcl 5y ago
  Can you think of any city that this applies to? Maybe a few English Premier League teams are as or more famous than the cities themselves, but there's a problem here. There is a near-zero chance of any of those teams threatening to move and using the stadium as a bargaining chip. I can think of a couple of moves that have happened in my lifetime - Meadowbank Thistle moving to Livingston (I'd be surprised if 5 people on this site were familiar with this) and Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes (a move so deeply unpopular the bulk of their fans immediately formed a new team which now competes in the same league as the "old" one). This issue is pretty unique to the US leagues due to their "franchise" system.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > Maybe a few English Premier League teams are as or more famous than the cities themselves Not more, but independently of the cities. At least when the actual city isn't in the team's name: I had heard if Chelsea, Arsenal, and Tottenham long before I realised they're all from London. (Likewise, [Västra] Frölunda being from Göteborg.) And I'm still not quite sure about Crystal Palace and the Queen's Park Rangers... (Only recently I pieced together that Crystal Palace are probably named for the famous wrought-iron-and-glass building at the ~1850s World Exhibition, but I can't recall where that was. Probably also London?)
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    - PoignardAzur 5y ago
      > had heard if Chelsea, Arsenal, and Tottenham long before I realised they're all from London. Wait, they are? Googles Oh, they're from the London area. I didn't know that. Man, London is huge.

lostlogin 5y ago

How many days since one of their clubs was front page international news? Chelsea football club was near the front in New Zealand this week, I don’t follow football at all and I recall it. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/463098/chelsea-now-owned-by-the-uk-government https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/463098/chelsea-now-owned-by...

stdbrouw 5y ago
I don't know if this is what you're getting at, but Chelsea is in London.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  That’s exactly what I’m getting at.
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KineticLensman 5y ago
> How many days since one of their clubs was front page international news? Chelsea football club was near the front in New Zealand this week London-based club Chelsea has been front page news in the UK this week because its Russian owner (Roman Abramovich) has been targeted by sanctions imposed as a result of the invasion of Ukraine, throwing the future of the club (and its massively expensive players) into doubt. Some casual googling shows that this story has been covered by Fox News, Deutsche Welle in Germany, Italy 24 News and others
- lostlogin 5y ago
  Yes, that’s what I mean. Their affairs are international news.
CRConrad 5y ago
Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal and at keat Paris Saint Germain are regularly big -- perhaps not front-page, but big -- news over much of at least Europe even without controversies about an oligarch owner being sanctioned.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > keat *least

TulliusCicero 5y ago

I admit, I have a hard time believing that there are many people who would've never heard of London or Paris if not for their pro sports teams. There are absolutely some cities where I can believe it, like Liverpool or Manchester, but London and Paris?

lostlogin 5y ago
The double negative is making my head hurt and it’s late - to confirm, you are saying: People would have heard of London or Paris with or without their sports teams. Would you say the same of Manchester or Liverpool if their teams didn’t exist?

PoignardAzur 5y ago

It's a bit of a stretch to say that Paris is known for the Paris-Saint-Germain.

smcl 5y ago
Can you think of any city that this applies to? Maybe a few English Premier League teams are as or more famous than the cities themselves, but there's a problem here. There is a near-zero chance of any of those teams threatening to move and using the stadium as a bargaining chip. I can think of a couple of moves that have happened in my lifetime - Meadowbank Thistle moving to Livingston (I'd be surprised if 5 people on this site were familiar with this) and Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes (a move so deeply unpopular the bulk of their fans immediately formed a new team which now competes in the same league as the "old" one). This issue is pretty unique to the US leagues due to their "franchise" system.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > Maybe a few English Premier League teams are as or more famous than the cities themselves Not more, but independently of the cities. At least when the actual city isn't in the team's name: I had heard if Chelsea, Arsenal, and Tottenham long before I realised they're all from London. (Likewise, [Västra] Frölunda being from Göteborg.) And I'm still not quite sure about Crystal Palace and the Queen's Park Rangers... (Only recently I pieced together that Crystal Palace are probably named for the famous wrought-iron-and-glass building at the ~1850s World Exhibition, but I can't recall where that was. Probably also London?)
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  - PoignardAzur 5y ago
    > had heard if Chelsea, Arsenal, and Tottenham long before I realised they're all from London. Wait, they are? Googles Oh, they're from the London area. I didn't know that. Man, London is huge.