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Such a terrible take. Wikileaks did leak Russian intelligence files. The argument that he hasn't leaked the same amount hinges on the assumption that he somehow

Such a terrible take. Wikileaks did leak Russian intelligence files. The argument that he hasn't leaked the same amount hinges on the assumption that he somehow has access to everything, which is of course nonsense. Snowden, I think, somewhat blinded by the overwhelming US propaganda machine and the fact that he's stuck in Russia, made an honest mistake. He admitted as much on his Twitter. Nobody's perfect, that doesn't mean they're working for Putin.

marviio 5y ago
I'm sure Wikileaks started out with a genuine idealistic vision. But I think it's hard to deny that after a while it turned into a FSB puppet."Spy Files Russia" looks more like a planted leak to divert accusations. If I remember correctly all of the information was already out before the leak.
toss1 5y ago
No, it is an entirely accurate take, and excessively kind to them, if anything. And what Snowden did or where he ended up have exactly zero to do with teh "US Propaganda machine" For reference on what such a machine actually looks like, go look at Russian media this last two weeks. Read what people who were actually in the intelligence agencies said; this [0][1]should have enough details and links to start you off. You might also note that while the progressive Barack Obama had no problem pardoning Manning, he did no such thing for Snowdon. This was after the US House Intelligence Committee — not intelligence agency people, and both parties — UNANIMOUSLY voted to approve a report on Edward Snowden finding that he "did tremendous damage" to U.S. national security [2]. Perhaps you can explain how the whole airport fiasco and taking on Snowdon could have happened without Putin's direct approval - and why he'd do such a thing if it is "only" US civil rights issues at stake from Snowdon's theft. Perhaps you can also explain how among the million+ documents Snowdon stole, only a few actually have anything to do with the headlines touting the civil liberty cause - e.g., exposing details of Israel’s killing of senior WMD proliferators in Syria [3]. Seriously, how does that improve anything in the US? If you actually bother to look, without the hero-worshipping glasses and Qanon-level suspicion of anything related to government, you find that his massive story is a fraud. Seriously, stop being fooled. I was similarly fooled, until I started trying to find actual experts on what had happened, and not just going along with the utter Kremlin line pushed out by popular trolls like Greenwald, and picked up and repeated uncritically. [0] https://observer.com/2016/09/the-real-ed-snowden-is-a-patsy- https://observer.com/2016/09/the-real-ed-snowden-is-a-patsy-... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200606111426/https://20committ https://web.archive.org/web/20200606111426/https://20committ... [2] https://www.lawfareblog.com/house-intelligence-committee-rel https://www.lawfareblog.com/house-intelligence-committee-rel... [3] https://web.archive.org/web/20200226232346/https://www.jpost https://web.archive.org/web/20200226232346/https://www.jpost...
- CRConrad 5y ago
  SnowdEn.

marviio 5y ago

I'm sure Wikileaks started out with a genuine idealistic vision. But I think it's hard to deny that after a while it turned into a FSB puppet."Spy Files Russia" looks more like a planted leak to divert accusations. If I remember correctly all of the information was already out before the leak.

toss1 5y ago

No, it is an entirely accurate take, and excessively kind to them, if anything. And what Snowden did or where he ended up have exactly zero to do with teh "US Propaganda machine" For reference on what such a machine actually looks like, go look at Russian media this last two weeks. Read what people who were actually in the intelligence agencies said; this [0][1]should have enough details and links to start you off. You might also note that while the progressive Barack Obama had no problem pardoning Manning, he did no such thing for Snowdon. This was after the US House Intelligence Committee — not intelligence agency people, and both parties — UNANIMOUSLY voted to approve a report on Edward Snowden finding that he "did tremendous damage" to U.S. national security [2]. Perhaps you can explain how the whole airport fiasco and taking on Snowdon could have happened without Putin's direct approval - and why he'd do such a thing if it is "only" US civil rights issues at stake from Snowdon's theft. Perhaps you can also explain how among the million+ documents Snowdon stole, only a few actually have anything to do with the headlines touting the civil liberty cause - e.g., exposing details of Israel’s killing of senior WMD proliferators in Syria [3]. Seriously, how does that improve anything in the US? If you actually bother to look, without the hero-worshipping glasses and Qanon-level suspicion of anything related to government, you find that his massive story is a fraud. Seriously, stop being fooled. I was similarly fooled, until I started trying to find actual experts on what had happened, and not just going along with the utter Kremlin line pushed out by popular trolls like Greenwald, and picked up and repeated uncritically. [0] https://observer.com/2016/09/the-real-ed-snowden-is-a-patsy- https://observer.com/2016/09/the-real-ed-snowden-is-a-patsy-... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200606111426/https://20committ https://web.archive.org/web/20200606111426/https://20committ... [2] https://www.lawfareblog.com/house-intelligence-committee-rel https://www.lawfareblog.com/house-intelligence-committee-rel... [3] https://web.archive.org/web/20200226232346/https://www.jpost https://web.archive.org/web/20200226232346/https://www.jpost...

CRConrad 5y ago
SnowdEn.