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Yandex has been promoting Russian propaganda/censoring Navalny/etc. for years and you complain about inconvenience of using a different translation service?

by shyiko 5y ago

sjmm1989 5y ago
Annndddd our own media conglomerates will shill propaganda and censor people who they disagree with all the time as well. Not saying that this exonerates Russia or Yandex, but if you think we shouldn't be able to use Yandex's translation service because of the other things it has done; then you best get ready to stop using google, facebook, reddit and twitter too; along with all the services attached to them. They all have been just as bad in their own ways. Look. I just said it was a shame that this all means that we won't be able to use a superior auto-translation product. How is that a problem. It just means someone who can do better than Google would be wise to step up, because someone like me is saying there is a market for a better product than what Google is offering. That's the thing about sanctions and such. When you take away some things, you gotta try to replace them somehow with something as good or better. And all I am saying is Google ain't it. Edit: https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/14/dpc-sued-google-rtb-complaint/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/14/dpc-sued-google-rtb-compla... Here, look. Now yes, that is about the watchdog being sued over not doing their job correctly; but look at who the culprit is and what they were doing. Google. Being naughty, once again.
- shyiko 5y ago
  > I just said it was a shame that this all means that we won't be able to use a superior auto-translation product. How is that a problem. Neither https://translate.yandex.ru/ https://translate.yandex.ru/ nor https://yandex.ru/ https://yandex.ru/ are being blocked. You can still use them if you want to (including as a search engine - https://superuser.com/questions/7327/how-to-add-a-custom-search-engine-to-firefox https://superuser.com/questions/7327/how-to-add-a-custom-sea...). This affects Firefox *defaults* only.
  - sjmm1989 5y ago
    Yeah, but that's just the start. The fact Firefox did it at all is a sure sign of more to come.
- shyiko 5y ago
  > That's the thing about sanctions and such. When you take away some things, you gotta try to replace them somehow with something as good or better. What do you feel when you see things like https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/te6k7b/could_you_all_please_spread_this_around_to_people/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/te6k7b/could_you_a...? (safe to watch; there is no NSF stuff). Do you really believe sanctioning companies that aide the government that does this and worse are not justified or need "replacement"?
  - sjmm1989 5y ago
    Look, I'm not here for a moral lecture from you. I'm part Ukrainian, okay. But I like the service that the Yandex translator provided. Firefox removing it from their defaults is just the beginning. I can see the rest of the internet moving in to remove it all together somehow if they could, since Firefox just removed it from their defaults. It's a first start. Now, for the love of all that is good; stop trying to lecture people on morals when you have no right to.

Yandex has been promoting Russian propaganda/censoring Navalny/etc. for years and you complain about inconvenience of using a different translation service?

by shyiko 5y ago

Yandex has been promoting Russian propaganda/censoring Navalny/etc. for years and you complain about inconvenience of using a different translation service?

sjmm1989 5y ago

Annndddd our own media conglomerates will shill propaganda and censor people who they disagree with all the time as well. Not saying that this exonerates Russia or Yandex, but if you think we shouldn't be able to use Yandex's translation service because of the other things it has done; then you best get ready to stop using google, facebook, reddit and twitter too; along with all the services attached to them. They all have been just as bad in their own ways. Look. I just said it was a shame that this all means that we won't be able to use a superior auto-translation product. How is that a problem. It just means someone who can do better than Google would be wise to step up, because someone like me is saying there is a market for a better product than what Google is offering. That's the thing about sanctions and such. When you take away some things, you gotta try to replace them somehow with something as good or better. And all I am saying is Google ain't it. Edit: https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/14/dpc-sued-google-rtb-complaint/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/14/dpc-sued-google-rtb-compla... Here, look. Now yes, that is about the watchdog being sued over not doing their job correctly; but look at who the culprit is and what they were doing. Google. Being naughty, once again.

shyiko 5y ago
> I just said it was a shame that this all means that we won't be able to use a superior auto-translation product. How is that a problem. Neither https://translate.yandex.ru/ https://translate.yandex.ru/ nor https://yandex.ru/ https://yandex.ru/ are being blocked. You can still use them if you want to (including as a search engine - https://superuser.com/questions/7327/how-to-add-a-custom-search-engine-to-firefox https://superuser.com/questions/7327/how-to-add-a-custom-sea...). This affects Firefox *defaults* only.
- sjmm1989 5y ago
  Yeah, but that's just the start. The fact Firefox did it at all is a sure sign of more to come.
shyiko 5y ago
> That's the thing about sanctions and such. When you take away some things, you gotta try to replace them somehow with something as good or better. What do you feel when you see things like https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/te6k7b/could_you_all_please_spread_this_around_to_people/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/te6k7b/could_you_a...? (safe to watch; there is no NSF stuff). Do you really believe sanctioning companies that aide the government that does this and worse are not justified or need "replacement"?
- sjmm1989 5y ago
  Look, I'm not here for a moral lecture from you. I'm part Ukrainian, okay. But I like the service that the Yandex translator provided. Firefox removing it from their defaults is just the beginning. I can see the rest of the internet moving in to remove it all together somehow if they could, since Firefox just removed it from their defaults. It's a first start. Now, for the love of all that is good; stop trying to lecture people on morals when you have no right to.