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Even if that were true (it’s not - high collateral damage is not the same as not making a distinction), that doesn’t justify us deciding to also treat Russian c
by ummonk 5y ago
Even if that were true (it’s not - high collateral damage is not the same as not making a distinction), that doesn’t justify us deciding to also treat Russian civilians as military.
- mmastrac 5y agoPutting pressure on Russian citizens motivates them to protest and take action inside of their country. The Ukrainians didn't have a choice either. I'd much rather have the US heavily-handededly knock down the Russian economy than the alternative of involving itself militarily.
- tuyguntn 5y agoHow about side effect of sanctions? People might say: look how West is behaving, when America invaded other countries or when NATO bombed Yugoslavia no one sanctioned them, but they are doing it to us, they hate us At the end of the day Ukraine will be in ruins, so sanctions don't help
- polski-g 5y ago> Putting pressure on Russian citizens motivates them to protest and take action inside of their country Is there any evidence this has occurred in the past? Didn't work in Iran, Iraq, North Korea...
- asveikau 5y agoNot sanctions, but ironically Ukraine is a place where popular uprisings worked. In 2005 and 2014. (Though if you buy the Russian line, it was all Nazis or something.)
- sonicggg 5y agoWhat is the alternative then? Nobody has done anything after the fake bombings before the Cechnya intervention in 1999, which at least is in their own territory. But then again silence in 2008 after the Georgia invasion, and again in Crimea in 2014. They are using their nuclear arsenal as a free pass to invade everyone and break every treaty. I think it just became unsustainable at this point. And honestly this is the best we can do to help without making things worse.
- chillwaves 5y agoWhat's the fucking difference when thousands of civilians are dead and millions displaced?
- ummonk 5y agoThe difference is that hundreds of thousands or even millions of civilians aren't dead. Which is what would happen have happened if they truly made no distinction between civilians and military.