I wouldn’t consider things like k8s and swarms frameworks, they are developer tools/cluster management software. K8s more or less doesn’t get baked into the bin

I wouldn’t consider things like k8s and swarms frameworks, they are developer tools/cluster management software. K8s more or less doesn’t get baked into the binaries or containers it runs. What I consider to be the two requirements for something to be a framework are 1. it gets baked into the application/the application is designed in such a way that it fits the mold of the framework 2. it inverts control from the programmer (without inversion of control, it’s just a library). The inversion of control is the problem, and that’s what this post tries to point out without identifying. Also, inversion of control is really only a problem IMO insofar as it unnecessarily obfuscates things. Based on my above definition of a framework, you could say most basic http server libraries (eg the one in the go standard lib) where you add handlers are a framework. But the inversion of control is mostly clear, and you’re not gonna want to ever implement your own http server unless you’re at huge scale, doing something especially weird, or need ultra performance. On the other end you have things like Spring where you basically need to learn an entirely new way of programming with dubious benefits. Also an imperative language is obviously not a framework. (I won’t say all programs, because I think you can argue Prolog is a framework). I’m not sure this person even knows what a framework is. Doesn’t deserve to be on the front page of HN