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> Firstly, a developer emotionally attached to a bad UI is not likely to propose significant enough of a change in your interface for this to concern you. a) T

> Firstly, a developer emotionally attached to a bad UI is not likely to propose significant enough of a change in your interface for this to concern you. a) They have, b) it's definitely not rare, and c) it is an enormous time-drain and source of frustration for maintainers in the FOSS community. Such devs will simply feign expertise at every turn and choose to die on the hill of their submission. In fact my previous run-in with such a dev nearly burned me out on FOSS development altogether. > Their proposal should be in plain language, logical, entirely justifiable, and almost certainly conceptual rather than in code. It's difficult to exaggerate how much I'd welcome such a submission! In fact I have never read such a proposal in any issue tracker, including my own. Do you have a link to an extant example, preferably one that got implemented? I honestly don't care if it's FOSS or not, I just want to read the communication back and forth.

chefandy 5y ago
You've never seen a thorough design proposal? Typical commercial pre-wireframe research and proposal: https://web.stanford.edu/~eadolfo/cis-redesign/attachments/proposal-newsignature.pdf https://web.stanford.edu/~eadolfo/cis-redesign/attachments/p... More common in FOSS: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/759 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/759 https://github.com/stashapp/stash/issues/1549 https://github.com/stashapp/stash/issues/1549 https://github.com/newrelic/nr1-groundskeeper/issues/3 https://github.com/newrelic/nr1-groundskeeper/issues/3 https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.github.io-source/issues/189 https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.github.io... https://github.com/godotengine/godot-proposals/issues/1823 https://github.com/godotengine/godot-proposals/issues/1823 (from google searching for things like site:github.com "wireframes" "design" "proposal") > a) They have, b) it's definitely not rare, and c) it is an enormous time-drain and source of frustration for maintainers in the FOSS community. I can't claim to be omniscient but I've been a constant open source contributor for 10 odd years and heavy user for nearly 25 and I've never seen that, or even heard people complain about it, let alone enough to be an enormous problem. I've seen ill-conceived gripe lists, superficial 'lets make this look cool,' and 'this font sucks' type issues periodically. None of those are serious design proposals any more than "make everything faster" or "I hate when your program does x" or "I think we should get rid of this and make it in react" are serious development proposals. I'll happily put together a guide on cutting through bullshit UI change proposals if I could evaluate some issues/PRs for open source repos that constantly experience this problem.

chefandy 5y ago

You've never seen a thorough design proposal? Typical commercial pre-wireframe research and proposal: https://web.stanford.edu/~eadolfo/cis-redesign/attachments/proposal-newsignature.pdf https://web.stanford.edu/~eadolfo/cis-redesign/attachments/p... More common in FOSS: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/759 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/759 https://github.com/stashapp/stash/issues/1549 https://github.com/stashapp/stash/issues/1549 https://github.com/newrelic/nr1-groundskeeper/issues/3 https://github.com/newrelic/nr1-groundskeeper/issues/3 https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.github.io-source/issues/189 https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.github.io... https://github.com/godotengine/godot-proposals/issues/1823 https://github.com/godotengine/godot-proposals/issues/1823 (from google searching for things like site:github.com "wireframes" "design" "proposal") > a) They have, b) it's definitely not rare, and c) it is an enormous time-drain and source of frustration for maintainers in the FOSS community. I can't claim to be omniscient but I've been a constant open source contributor for 10 odd years and heavy user for nearly 25 and I've never seen that, or even heard people complain about it, let alone enough to be an enormous problem. I've seen ill-conceived gripe lists, superficial 'lets make this look cool,' and 'this font sucks' type issues periodically. None of those are serious design proposals any more than "make everything faster" or "I hate when your program does x" or "I think we should get rid of this and make it in react" are serious development proposals. I'll happily put together a guide on cutting through bullshit UI change proposals if I could evaluate some issues/PRs for open source repos that constantly experience this problem.