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> You are disregarding their right to self determination just because they are favorable and No, in those regions the will to stay Ukraine outnumbers the will

by myko 5y ago

> You are disregarding their right to self determination just because they are favorable and No, in those regions the will to stay Ukraine outnumbers the will to become a Russian vassal or part of Russia: https://www.iri.org/resources/ukraine-poll-majority-want-donbas-to-remain-in-ukraine/ https://www.iri.org/resources/ukraine-poll-majority-want-don... Keep in mind, the only reason there are large Russian populations there are due to the USSR killing ethnic Ukrainians purposefully and sending Russians there to take their homes. Read more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor Beyond that, even if you take Putin's propaganda that eastern Ukraine wants to be part of Russia you must reconcile his statement that Lenin made a mistake allowing Ukraine to exist and the fact that he has invaded all of Ukraine and is trying to decapitate the government. He even has kill lists of Ukrainians to exterminate: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082096026/russia-kill-list-ukraine https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082096026/russia-kill-list-u...

ailef 5y ago
> No, in those regions the will to stay Ukraine outnumbers the will to become a Russian vassal or part of Russia: From the IRI report: > The sample consisted of 2,400 permanent residents of Ukraine aged 18 and older and eligible to vote, and is representative of the general population by gender, age, region and size of settlement. An additional 1,378 respondents were also surveyed in the Ukrainian-controlled territories of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. So basically they only surveyed people from Ukraininan controlled areas and the result is they want to stay with Ukraine, what a surprise. I understand the argument about the Holodomor, but the fact is that at the moment the majority of the population in those area are pro-Russian. If you look at history then, Crimea was historically Russian and only given to Ukraine in 1954 as part of a deal. According to your reasoning you must've been favorable to its annexation then, otherwise this is another example of applying double standards only when convenient.

by myko 5y ago

ailef 5y ago

> No, in those regions the will to stay Ukraine outnumbers the will to become a Russian vassal or part of Russia: From the IRI report: > The sample consisted of 2,400 permanent residents of Ukraine aged 18 and older and eligible to vote, and is representative of the general population by gender, age, region and size of settlement. An additional 1,378 respondents were also surveyed in the Ukrainian-controlled territories of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. So basically they only surveyed people from Ukraininan controlled areas and the result is they want to stay with Ukraine, what a surprise. I understand the argument about the Holodomor, but the fact is that at the moment the majority of the population in those area are pro-Russian. If you look at history then, Crimea was historically Russian and only given to Ukraine in 1954 as part of a deal. According to your reasoning you must've been favorable to its annexation then, otherwise this is another example of applying double standards only when convenient.