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I want it so I can uninstall Facebook Messager. On Android I can log into Facebook's website, and receive push notifications via the web-browser. On iOS my cho

I want it so I can uninstall Facebook Messager. On Android I can log into Facebook's website, and receive push notifications via the web-browser. On iOS my choices are either the native iOS app (which has substantially more data hooks) or nothing at all. Essentially browser Push Notifications increase my privacy. PS - I am sympathetic to complaints about push notification request spam, but that feels like a solvable issue without throwing the dishes out with the bathwater. You shouldn't need an "app" just for notifications.

js2 5y ago
I interact with FB messages solely through mbasic.facebook.com, even on my phone. It’s painful enough to keep me off the site, a benefit.
- jimkleiber 5y ago
  Whoa I didn't know that this existed, thank you for sharing it.
- toastal 5y ago
  I've used it in a container for ages (SlimSocial on F-Droid store). I removed it being listed by my launcher so I have to go through Settings > Apps and scroll that list. It's so annoying to use and get to it that I barely use Facebook anymore.
muhehe 5y ago
How do you use messenger like this? When I go to messenger.com a get pretty much just button with link play store...
- Someone1234 5y ago
  Just log into Facebook.com in Chrome, enable Push Notifications, and then press new message notifications to re-launch Facebook.com.
  - toastal 5y ago
    Not recommended unless you have some isolation as you maybe leaking data through the browser.
- BHSPitMonkey 5y ago
  Turn on Desktop Mode for that site.
heavyset_go 5y ago
Apple likes to trot out Facebook as a privacy boogeyman when it comes to defending their App Store business model, but when their business model necessitates that Facebook has invasive native apps, suddenly they're silent. PWAs would increase security all around compared to native apps, but that might cut into App Store revenue.
- CharlesW 5y ago
  > Apple likes to trot out Facebook as a privacy boogeyman when it comes to defending their App Store business model, but when their business model necessitates that Facebook has invasive native apps, suddenly they're silent. Are you joking? https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/03/facebook-10-billion-in-2022-apple-measures/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/03/facebook-10-billion-in-...
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    Exactly my point, they'll trot Facebook out as a defense of their App Store model just like they did here. PWAs from the beginning would have prevented Facebook from collecting data for the last decade in the first place, but that's not a solution Apple would allow.
    - comex 5y ago
      True, a PWA wouldn’t have been able to get the unique device ID, which is (I think) the only technical effect of the App Tracking Transparency toggle added last year. But that toggle also has legal effects that go further [1]. For instance, apps can’t “[display] targeted advertisements in your app based on user data collected from apps and websites owned by other companies”, even that data was correlated with your app session based on, say, account name or email address rather than device IDs. But the only reason Apple is in a position to impose this kind of requirement is that they’re a gatekeeper for iOS apps. With web apps, short of government action, the best you can do ask nicely, and we all know how the Do Not Track header ended up. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/user-privacy-and-data-use/ https://developer.apple.com/app-store/user-privacy-and-data-..., “Asking Permission to Track”
eyelidlessness 5y ago
Can I just say “throwing the dishes out with the bathwater” is the best thing I’ve read today? I want you to get the notifications you prefer, I want to not get web notifications, I don’t care to argue over that. I just want to appreciate doing the dishes in anyone’s bath water. That’s darn efficient!

js2 5y ago

I interact with FB messages solely through mbasic.facebook.com, even on my phone. It’s painful enough to keep me off the site, a benefit.

jimkleiber 5y ago
Whoa I didn't know that this existed, thank you for sharing it.
toastal 5y ago
I've used it in a container for ages (SlimSocial on F-Droid store). I removed it being listed by my launcher so I have to go through Settings > Apps and scroll that list. It's so annoying to use and get to it that I barely use Facebook anymore.

muhehe 5y ago

How do you use messenger like this? When I go to messenger.com a get pretty much just button with link play store...

Someone1234 5y ago
Just log into Facebook.com in Chrome, enable Push Notifications, and then press new message notifications to re-launch Facebook.com.
- toastal 5y ago
  Not recommended unless you have some isolation as you maybe leaking data through the browser.
BHSPitMonkey 5y ago
Turn on Desktop Mode for that site.

heavyset_go 5y ago

Apple likes to trot out Facebook as a privacy boogeyman when it comes to defending their App Store business model, but when their business model necessitates that Facebook has invasive native apps, suddenly they're silent. PWAs would increase security all around compared to native apps, but that might cut into App Store revenue.

CharlesW 5y ago
> Apple likes to trot out Facebook as a privacy boogeyman when it comes to defending their App Store business model, but when their business model necessitates that Facebook has invasive native apps, suddenly they're silent. Are you joking? https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/03/facebook-10-billion-in-2022-apple-measures/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/03/facebook-10-billion-in-...
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Exactly my point, they'll trot Facebook out as a defense of their App Store model just like they did here. PWAs from the beginning would have prevented Facebook from collecting data for the last decade in the first place, but that's not a solution Apple would allow.
  - comex 5y ago
    True, a PWA wouldn’t have been able to get the unique device ID, which is (I think) the only technical effect of the App Tracking Transparency toggle added last year. But that toggle also has legal effects that go further [1]. For instance, apps can’t “[display] targeted advertisements in your app based on user data collected from apps and websites owned by other companies”, even that data was correlated with your app session based on, say, account name or email address rather than device IDs. But the only reason Apple is in a position to impose this kind of requirement is that they’re a gatekeeper for iOS apps. With web apps, short of government action, the best you can do ask nicely, and we all know how the Do Not Track header ended up. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/user-privacy-and-data-use/ https://developer.apple.com/app-store/user-privacy-and-data-..., “Asking Permission to Track”

eyelidlessness 5y ago

Can I just say “throwing the dishes out with the bathwater” is the best thing I’ve read today? I want you to get the notifications you prefer, I want to not get web notifications, I don’t care to argue over that. I just want to appreciate doing the dishes in anyone’s bath water. That’s darn efficient!