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Putin’s State Media News Is Interrupted: ‘They’re Lying to You’
- News-Dog 5y agoFull Story at; <https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1580546/russian-state-television-protester-sign-channel-one-ukraine-war-latest-video-vn https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1580546/russian-state-t...>
- blibble 5y agosource that isn't the express: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60744605 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60744605
- teh_klev 5y agoThe Express is an unhinged xenophobic right wing "newspaper" specialising in othering. Just do a google search for "uk express news paper front covers". See also the Daily Mail its partner in crime in nastyness.
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- TrispusAttucks 5y agohttps://archive.ph/W7cuU https://archive.ph/W7cuU
- cab404 5y agohttps://youtu.be/Baj1OXZTuE8 https://youtu.be/Baj1OXZTuE8
- hunglee2 5y agoExtraordinary intervention at huge personal risk. Her name is Marina Ovsyannikova and she is a hero
- RickJWagner 5y agoI'll second that. I nominate Marina Ovsyannikova for International Woman of the Year.
- rich_sasha 5y agoOr, heck, maybe even Nobel peace prize. As much as I am revolted by Russian invasion and the apparent broad support from Russians, the bravery of those who oppose it publicly is real and enormous.
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- listless 5y agoAnd let me tell you, Russian prisons are pure hell. Check out the documentary on Black Dolphin. That is one of the most disturbing things I’ve ever seen. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkd4xy https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkd4xy
- tus666 5y agoRussians already know this. It's the West that needs this kind of intervention.
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- myko 5y agoCould you explain what you mean? The west is strongly against the war in Ukraine that Putin started - what specific intervention do you recommend?
- tus666 5y ago
- ralfn 5y agoYeah. Its exactly like the sort of propaganda in Russia. Impressive though, how "the West" does all that project management and is capable of coordinating all their lies in so many different languages across so many different cultures and so many different ideologies and religions. The trap, like always, is in the premise. This isn't Russia vs the West. Like its two superpowers battling. This is an authoritarian hierarchical regime vs Ukraine. That same regime vs Poland. That same regime vs Finland. The same regime vs "empty sign holders". The West is not some kind of homogenous blob. The few times all media across all these countries say the same thing, is when the other side is lying pants-on-fire. They are literally suggesting Greece, Turkey, Germany and Poland are conspiring and coordinating to harm a hasbeen superpower with an economy the size of a potato of which half is energy exports. And the little bit of money they do make is then spend on the military, but due to the corruption, all ends up in apartments in London and yachts in Italy.
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- 1024core 5y agoNow where's Max Headroom when you need him?
- earleybird 5y ago20 minutes into the future!
- ericjang 5y agoThread with additional context about Marina Ovsyannikova https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1503453848786059270?s=20&t=tg6BhUonY-O_6yZIdEhxnw https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1503453848786059270?s=2... Her bravery is incredible.
- dTal 5y agoThat's an extraordinary video and deserves more coverage than the sign, which was clearly intended to draw attention to this.
- paxys 5y agoThis is an incredibly brave move. Sadly I don't think this woman is ever seeing life outside of a prison cell again.
- FpUser 5y agoI hope Putin will be exterminated. She still has a chance.
- akomtu 5y agoEven when he is, someone from his inner circle will take his place, and his first decision will be further tightening the police state to avoid the destiny of his predecessor. I'm not sure I can name a single dictatorship that's suddenly turned free.
- FpUser 5y ago>"Even when he is, someone from his inner circle will take his place" I am not sure that this is how it'll end. Could be common revolt with army support. >"I'm not sure I can name a single dictatorship that's suddenly turned free." Because you did not look. Romania and Argentina for example. You can find others but whatever.
- ilrwbwrkhv 5y ago
- titanomachy 5y agoCare to elaborate?
- ilrwbwrkhv 5y agoThe narrative that all of Russian news and media is propaganda is false.
- ogogmad 5y agoAt this point, it's so much obfuscation and noise that it's hard to know where the signal is. The Russians constantly employ disinformation -- a term that means lying -- to get their way. The level of chutzpah when they accuse Ukraine of being a neo-Nazi country, and so on and so on...
- babypuncher 5y agoThe recent "fake news" laws they passed seem to indicate otherwise.
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- neskorodev 5y ago10-15 years in prison because fresh local laws. Sad to say that. She is the hero.
- hirundo 5y agoCourage on the order of Tank Man.
- tablespoon 5y agoThen the next story down in Bloomberg's infinite scroll: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-14/elon-musk-challenges-vladimir-putin-to-single-combat-for-ukraine https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-14/elon-musk... > Billionaire Elon Musk has challenged Russian President Vladimir Putin to “single combat”, with the “stakes” being Ukraine. > With Mr Putin’s name written in Russian and Ukraine written in Ukrainian, the Tesla chief executive tweeted: “I hereby challenge (Vladimir Putin) to single combat. > “Stakes are (Ukraine).” The nerve of that guy. Ukraine isn't his to bet.
- FpUser 5y agoCheap PR stunt. Disgusting I would say. This guy on the other hand is real: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/09/ukraine-war-latvian-mp-juris-jurass-joins-legion-of-foreign-fighters https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/09/ukraine-war-latvian-mp-j...
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- wojciii 5y agoGive it time. Its just a matter of time before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Jox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Jox becomes reality.
- justsomehnguy 5y agoOof. Somebody still remember this. When I saw it in the nineties the ending felt like there is a hope what a solution for a peaceful co-existence and partnership could be found soon.
- nojonestownpls 5y agoThis takes no less courage than what Edward Snowden or Julian Assange did - the scale of actions may be different, but the amount of danger they put themselves into, in order to do what they believe is the right thing, is absolutely admirable.
- pupppet 5y agoThis took far more courage, she’s not safely hiding in some far off country.
- nojonestownpls 5y agoThe nature of the medium she has to use makes that impossible, unfortunately.
- toss1 5y agoBullsh*t Both of them are working FOR Putin Assange likely started with pure motives, but became compromised as WL ran out of money. He (claimed he) was about to release a pile of intelligence against the Russian govt & oligarchy, then never did, and was soon doing spots on RU. The vast bulk of Snowden's pilfered haul had nothing to do with his stated aims, and definitely put agents in danger. And of course he ended up there. Notice he's not said a word since the RUS invasion of Ukraine. He hasn't got enough courage to be worthy to lick clean the soles of Marina Ovsyannikova's shoes.
- jackthezipper 5y agoSuch a terrible take. Wikileaks did leak Russian intelligence files. The argument that he hasn't leaked the same amount hinges on the assumption that he somehow has access to everything, which is of course nonsense. Snowden, I think, somewhat blinded by the overwhelming US propaganda machine and the fact that he's stuck in Russia, made an honest mistake. He admitted as much on his Twitter. Nobody's perfect, that doesn't mean they're working for Putin.
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- ogogmad 5y agoThe polar opposite of this act is here: https://nitter.net/femeninna/status/1503464366330548227#m https://nitter.net/femeninna/status/1503464366330548227#m “If you think that we will stop in #Ukraine, you are deeply mistaken, this is just an intermediate stage” says the main Kremlin’s propagandist, Vladimir Solovyev
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- stavros 5y agoPlease, not here too with the tired ball jokes every single thread.
- 2-718-281-828 5y agoOnly if HN promises me to never again force me to read a comment starting with "full disclosure ...".
- stavros 5y agoFull disclosure, I can't promise that, but I promise.
- 908B64B197 5y agoCan we grant her asylum? Prove you worked against the regime and renounce your Russian Citizenship and get a Western passport. Let's see what Russians chose.
- asats 5y agoShe has already been detained and the lawyers cannot even locate her.
- narrator 5y agoImagine if someone came on TV like this during the second gulf war and said "They're lying to you about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" Would anyone even care? Some cynical people at the time would say, "sure they're lying." Lots of people would be like, "She's totally brainwashed, blah, blah." The whole thing would then be forgotten in two days and the war would go on as usual.
- iamthemonster 5y agoIn the UK I don't recall the public truly believing that Iraq actually had "weapons of mass destruction". The press had been calling the intelligence report the "Dodgy Dossier" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Dossier https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Dossier and I recall wide doubt on the famous phrasing of weapons being "launched within 45 minutes" https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2004/feb/05/iraq.iraq1 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2004/feb/05/iraq.iraq1 which it turns out referred to... conventional battle munitions like mortars. It was an absolute shit show of lies that nobody really believed. A million people protested https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_protests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_pr... And still, the war went on as usual. Even if 90% of Russians protested against the invasion of Ukraine I couldn't be sure it would make a difference. As it is, most Russians don't even see this as a war, just a continuation of the ongoing Donbass conflict.
- tim333 5y agoMy recollection as an average UK member of the public was the news said 'allegations of WMDs' so I thought well maybe, then 'Hans Blix is investigating' so I thought fair enough and then 'UK and US forces have invaded without waiting for Blix'. So yeah not much you could do about it. It's probably similar for the Russian public.
- ptnxlo 5y ago90% of 140 millions of inhabitants is certainly a big number. Your example is quite extreme and might reflect that the country is completely out of context.
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- consumer451 5y agoI had a somewhat utopian thought today to prevent the next Ukraine invasion. Here are the components: 1. I have heard many stories online, and even in-person, of people calling home to Russia and their families not believing the facts of the war in Ukraine. 2. One of the bigger sub-stories from the war in Ukraine is the availability of commercial satellite imagery. Problem: Information asymmetry can lead to state sponsored mass murder. Solution: Require universal access to 24hr-old global imaging to all citizens, if your country wants to be part of the global economic system. I skipped over many problems to avoid a wall of text. I look forward to hearing why this idea could never work.
- yks 5y agoUntil very recently Russians were not blocked from the global information. It was gradually shut down on TV, but people can still read what the rest of the world thinks on the internet, including in Russian language. Yet most people resist exposure to anything conflicting the state's point of view. I personally thought that Russia proved that the total mind control is possible without cutting off alternative points of view and 1984 is exaggeration, but apparently it's not enough in the time of crisis like invasion of Ukraine. Now they have to introduce 15-year prison sentences for telling that the "sky is blue" metaphorically speaking.
- nazark 5y agoIn dictatorship like russia, it is hard to believe that you can easily interrupt a live stream by standing behind a news anchor and nobody stops you (do not forget that this is the main TV channel in russia) Secondly, the majority of people that work on TV say that live news is not really live, there is always a slight delay to avoid anything unexpected going live (but not in this case). Thirdly, 280$ fine while others facing 15 years in jail? Seems like yet another masquerade created by Russian propaganda.
- nickpp 5y agoBut how would that work, what would Russians gain from such a stunt?
- nazark 5y agoWe will never know for sure. My guess is that either distract west media from what is happening in Ukraine at this very moment (russian solders, not Putin, using heavy artillery are bombing the cities and killing civilians) and/or to convince west that because of this "brave" woman (not really), russians do not deserve sanctions.