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I look forward to the Microsoft brigade telling me again that none of the following exists: - ads in file explorer - ads on the lockscreen - ads as notif

I look forward to the Microsoft brigade telling me again that none of the following exists: - ads in file explorer - ads on the lockscreen - ads as notifications - ads in the start menu - ads in the "change file association" dialog - ads in the apps (e.g. solitaire) - mandatory updates that cannot be disabled and reboot your machine without asking - pc turning itself on in the middle of the night OR when in my backpack to install updates - un-disableable spyware ("telemetry") Windows would be classed as malware by the 2002 definition

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lostgame 5y ago
>> Windows would be classed as malware by the 2002 definition Literally. And adware by the mid-00's definition. Like, I can't understand why they'd do this. I really can't. What a joke. Do people still work on the Windows project who are proud of what they do anymore? You gotta think, there's an actual team of real, live, people at Microsoft who decided that getting paid enough would be worth it to put this shit in and degrade millions and millions of people's daily experiences using their software. If I ever become that person, may I rot. I just could never see selling out to that level and living with myself.
- FearlessNebula 5y ago
  Honestly I imagine the people working on Windows have drank the Kool-aid. They think this is what people want. The ads are “relevant suggestions”. Pre installed Candy crush is “awesome, everyone wants that!”. Telemetry to them is “learning about the users needs”. And there’s a grain of truth in all of these.
  - omgmajk 5y ago
    It's always been a mystery to me who these users are, the ones that do not care about the VD that comes pre-installed with OEM's or with the OS itself. But working with support has taught me that a lot of people really have no idea where the OS ends and third party apps begins. Candy crush pre-installed? Must be part of Windows.
oneepic 5y ago
I guess they do not think of those as "ads" but more like suggestions, or tips to the user. (Not defending it, they would be clearly doing mental gymnastics if that were the case -- they absolutely are ads.) If they said the word "ad", they'd be referring to content from 3rd parties.
- npteljes 5y ago
  Even more specifically they're upsells, which of course are kind of advertisements.
akagusu 5y ago
> Windows would be classed as malware by the 2002 definition People don't care about malware, except for those malwares that rip their bank account off.

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lostgame 5y ago

>> Windows would be classed as malware by the 2002 definition Literally. And adware by the mid-00's definition. Like, I can't understand why they'd do this. I really can't. What a joke. Do people still work on the Windows project who are proud of what they do anymore? You gotta think, there's an actual team of real, live, people at Microsoft who decided that getting paid enough would be worth it to put this shit in and degrade millions and millions of people's daily experiences using their software. If I ever become that person, may I rot. I just could never see selling out to that level and living with myself.

FearlessNebula 5y ago
Honestly I imagine the people working on Windows have drank the Kool-aid. They think this is what people want. The ads are “relevant suggestions”. Pre installed Candy crush is “awesome, everyone wants that!”. Telemetry to them is “learning about the users needs”. And there’s a grain of truth in all of these.
- omgmajk 5y ago
  It's always been a mystery to me who these users are, the ones that do not care about the VD that comes pre-installed with OEM's or with the OS itself. But working with support has taught me that a lot of people really have no idea where the OS ends and third party apps begins. Candy crush pre-installed? Must be part of Windows.

oneepic 5y ago

I guess they do not think of those as "ads" but more like suggestions, or tips to the user. (Not defending it, they would be clearly doing mental gymnastics if that were the case -- they absolutely are ads.) If they said the word "ad", they'd be referring to content from 3rd parties.

npteljes 5y ago
Even more specifically they're upsells, which of course are kind of advertisements.

akagusu 5y ago

> Windows would be classed as malware by the 2002 definition People don't care about malware, except for those malwares that rip their bank account off.