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I mean, you can do an OS yourself, or you can learn how to use an existing OS, I use Gentoo GNU/Linux and do things manually, never got the boot driver wiped as

I mean, you can do an OS yourself, or you can learn how to use an existing OS, I use Gentoo GNU/Linux and do things manually, never got the boot driver wiped as I do the partitioning myself, and also do the partitioning when I use some more userfriendly distros (on my work laptop because compiling on laptops is not nice so I won't use gentoo there). But yeah I mean you complain a lot, but for OSX and Windows you have no chance of resolving your issues, on linux you just need to be capable and willing to understand and read some documentation and you're good to go, but it seems that in your situation you're the main problem, because unwilling to be restricted by proprietary systems but also unwilling to learn, so it seems like we need to make an OS built on your preference while you just "want to get work done", why should we do that? Be restricted or learn to learn

andi999 5y ago
The issue on linux is that the software you need for your business doesnt run on it. This one you cannot fix yourself.
- immibis 5y ago
  That means Microsoft Office, specifically. Right?
  - andi999 5y ago
    Office yes. Xilinx FPGA Toolchain, CAD, Visual Studio (ok, ok forget the last one)
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      Yeah that is fair, there is a lot of people who need certain software which is not available on linux, but I was wondering what can the linux community do? I mean the guy at the parent comment described a problem which was easily solvable, and other people instead decsribed problems on which linux has no control over, if the vendor of the software you need for you business doesn't bother to create a software you need for your business for linux, bring it to the vendor of the software you need for you business, not to linux
      - wintermutestwin 5y ago
        I don't call this convolution to deal with a blatantly unnecessary problem "easily solvable." https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=287353 https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=287353
      - andi999 5y ago
        I could be a problem the linux community could do nothing about (and still be a problem). But lets see: - maybe a lot of companies dont do it because there is no awareness that customers want it? - maybe companies do not know how to develop cross platform So ppl shd tell manufactures that they would be willing to pay money for linux applications. Also the cross platform development should be smoothed and well documented. Like write a document (and give some talks) how to easily migrate a win32 programm to. Linux and a dot net program. If it is not easy, make it easier. Also do the same for licensing/copyprotection on linux.
    - immibis 5y ago
      Xilinx Vivado runs on Linux
      - andi999 5y ago
        Nice.
  - xtracto 5y ago
    And Aspel, or Contpaq for accountants in Mexico. Among countless of real software used for real productive things.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  Fair enough, but I think that there are either alternatives, but also this was no the issue listed, the issue listed is like very easily solvable, I think the solution might even be on the getting started / installation guide of most distributions
- Zachsa999 5y ago
  Show me a high quality cad software for Linux. Absolute bugger no. Freecad is the best, and it's pretty bad.
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    And this is a issue with linux or solvable by linux because..? I mean if vendors didn't do CAD for windows, windows wouldn't have a quality CAD software either, ask your vendor to make the quality CAD for linux
    - Zachsa999 5y ago
      Yes, yes, and yes. How long will I be willing to suffer for something I love.
  - BurningPenguin 5y ago
    BricsCAD? The company i work for uses the Windows version. It has a Linux version too.
    - Zachsa999 5y ago
      I'll check it out.
- tremon 5y ago
  Since most "software" is now a web page, that problem is slowly getting solved by the industry.
wintermutestwin 5y ago
>on linux you just need to be capable and willing to understand and read some documentation If it were really as simple as reading the official documentation, then yeah, I'd concede this point. The reality is that finding the correct solution to a (non-corner case) problem is a spaghetti splat mess of links all over the internet with no guarantee that they are the answer you need. I have been doing this stuff for more decades than many on this site have been alive so I am capable of dealing with some arcane shit. BUT I know all too well the value of time and Linux is still in the "hobbyist tweaker" category. I'll use it for some things, but I am looking for a Desktop OS that I can actually do work on, not kill time tweaking.
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andi999 5y ago

The issue on linux is that the software you need for your business doesnt run on it. This one you cannot fix yourself.

immibis 5y ago
That means Microsoft Office, specifically. Right?
- andi999 5y ago
  Office yes. Xilinx FPGA Toolchain, CAD, Visual Studio (ok, ok forget the last one)
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    Yeah that is fair, there is a lot of people who need certain software which is not available on linux, but I was wondering what can the linux community do? I mean the guy at the parent comment described a problem which was easily solvable, and other people instead decsribed problems on which linux has no control over, if the vendor of the software you need for you business doesn't bother to create a software you need for your business for linux, bring it to the vendor of the software you need for you business, not to linux
    - wintermutestwin 5y ago
      I don't call this convolution to deal with a blatantly unnecessary problem "easily solvable." https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=287353 https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=287353
    - andi999 5y ago
      I could be a problem the linux community could do nothing about (and still be a problem). But lets see: - maybe a lot of companies dont do it because there is no awareness that customers want it? - maybe companies do not know how to develop cross platform So ppl shd tell manufactures that they would be willing to pay money for linux applications. Also the cross platform development should be smoothed and well documented. Like write a document (and give some talks) how to easily migrate a win32 programm to. Linux and a dot net program. If it is not easy, make it easier. Also do the same for licensing/copyprotection on linux.
  - immibis 5y ago
    Xilinx Vivado runs on Linux
    - andi999 5y ago
      Nice.
- xtracto 5y ago
  And Aspel, or Contpaq for accountants in Mexico. Among countless of real software used for real productive things.
lnxg33k1 5y ago
Fair enough, but I think that there are either alternatives, but also this was no the issue listed, the issue listed is like very easily solvable, I think the solution might even be on the getting started / installation guide of most distributions
Zachsa999 5y ago
Show me a high quality cad software for Linux. Absolute bugger no. Freecad is the best, and it's pretty bad.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  And this is a issue with linux or solvable by linux because..? I mean if vendors didn't do CAD for windows, windows wouldn't have a quality CAD software either, ask your vendor to make the quality CAD for linux
  - Zachsa999 5y ago
    Yes, yes, and yes. How long will I be willing to suffer for something I love.
- BurningPenguin 5y ago
  BricsCAD? The company i work for uses the Windows version. It has a Linux version too.
  - Zachsa999 5y ago
    I'll check it out.
tremon 5y ago
Since most "software" is now a web page, that problem is slowly getting solved by the industry.

wintermutestwin 5y ago

>on linux you just need to be capable and willing to understand and read some documentation If it were really as simple as reading the official documentation, then yeah, I'd concede this point. The reality is that finding the correct solution to a (non-corner case) problem is a spaghetti splat mess of links all over the internet with no guarantee that they are the answer you need. I have been doing this stuff for more decades than many on this site have been alive so I am capable of dealing with some arcane shit. BUT I know all too well the value of time and Linux is still in the "hobbyist tweaker" category. I'll use it for some things, but I am looking for a Desktop OS that I can actually do work on, not kill time tweaking.

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