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I wish they removed Google...

by dotcoma 5y ago

oh_sigh 5y ago
Hard to pass up $500M/yr
- dotcoma 5y ago
  Do they really need all that money? They could perhaps get good money, even if considerably less, from DDG.
  - stu2b50 5y ago
    Well, yes. It’s almost all of their annual revenue and Mozilla already had huge layoffs[0], so presumably they’re not exactly on amazing footing financially. Duckduckgo could not provide anything near that much - ddg has 100m in annual revenue and Google is giving 500m to Mozilla. 5x their entire company’s annual revenue. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-quarter-staff-250-people-new-revenue-focus https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-...
    - SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
      If an organisation can be in financial trouble with an annual income of half a billion then it's poorly run. That's ample resources even for something as complex as a browser.
      - queuebert 5y ago
        You could do a lot of science for $500M. I wonder where all that money goes for a mostly complete piece of software.
        blindmute 5y ago
        It goes into changing the UI every 6 months and removing features, of course
  - mekster 5y ago
    Who wants to let go of free money? Mozilla is way overpaid, they probably lost focus other than paying $100m for browser development and MDN and probably the rest wasted.
- 37 5y ago
  Just for the record, what is it that Google is paying them $500M/yr to do? I haven't installed Firefox for while, is Google the default search engine or something? edit: Upon more searching, I find passages like this: >in 2020, Mozilla Corporation’s revenue was $466 million from its search partnerships (largely driven by its search deal with Google), subscriptions and advertising revenue. [0] as well as a fine from France for 500M Euros. [0] https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/13/mozilla-expects-to-generate-more-than-500m-in-revenue-this-year/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/13/mozilla-expects-to-generat...
  - obviouslynotme 5y ago
    Google pays Mozilla to exist. I wouldn't be surprised if other browsers get either checks or favors for existing. All of this is to make Google not seem like the monopoly it is.
    - parineum 5y ago
      It literally isn't a browser monopoly. Whether they fund them or not, Firefox and Safari are equally useable browsers. I use Firefox as a daily driver in both desktop and mobile and have zero issues. Hell, chromium can do everything chrome can. Maybe they're a monopoly in the online advertising space but I'd argue that's simply because they're better.
      - dotcoma 5y ago
        Firefox is Mozilla‘a browser, and it would be gone tomorrow without the money they get from Google. Safari is a contender on phones, not so much on desktop.
        parineum 5y ago
        You're considering "contender" when the word you should be using is "competitor". It's not Google's fault people prefer chrome over safari. The fact that people _can_ choose Chrome, Safari, Firefox, Chromium, Brave, etc. is what matters. As long as Google isn't doing anything anti-competitive, it's absolutely okay to dominate the market with a superior product.
Crash0v3rid3 5y ago
Can you explain why you feel that way?
- dotcoma 5y ago
  For some searches, half the ‘results’ I get are ads. Not to mention how they track people. I’m still using Gmail as a throwaway email address, but for everything else, I’m done with Google.
- xanaxagoras 5y ago
  Search results aren't that good anymore and Google consistently shovels woke crap down my throat anytime I search for anything more controversial than pizza toppings.
  - fidesomnes 5y ago

I wish they removed Google...

oh_sigh 5y ago

Hard to pass up $500M/yr

dotcoma 5y ago
Do they really need all that money? They could perhaps get good money, even if considerably less, from DDG.
- stu2b50 5y ago
  Well, yes. It’s almost all of their annual revenue and Mozilla already had huge layoffs[0], so presumably they’re not exactly on amazing footing financially. Duckduckgo could not provide anything near that much - ddg has 100m in annual revenue and Google is giving 500m to Mozilla. 5x their entire company’s annual revenue. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-quarter-staff-250-people-new-revenue-focus https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-...
  - SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
    If an organisation can be in financial trouble with an annual income of half a billion then it's poorly run. That's ample resources even for something as complex as a browser.
    - queuebert 5y ago
      You could do a lot of science for $500M. I wonder where all that money goes for a mostly complete piece of software.
      - blindmute 5y ago
        It goes into changing the UI every 6 months and removing features, of course
- mekster 5y ago
  Who wants to let go of free money? Mozilla is way overpaid, they probably lost focus other than paying $100m for browser development and MDN and probably the rest wasted.
37 5y ago
Just for the record, what is it that Google is paying them $500M/yr to do? I haven't installed Firefox for while, is Google the default search engine or something? edit: Upon more searching, I find passages like this: >in 2020, Mozilla Corporation’s revenue was $466 million from its search partnerships (largely driven by its search deal with Google), subscriptions and advertising revenue. [0] as well as a fine from France for 500M Euros. [0] https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/13/mozilla-expects-to-generate-more-than-500m-in-revenue-this-year/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/12/13/mozilla-expects-to-generat...
- obviouslynotme 5y ago
  Google pays Mozilla to exist. I wouldn't be surprised if other browsers get either checks or favors for existing. All of this is to make Google not seem like the monopoly it is.
  - parineum 5y ago
    It literally isn't a browser monopoly. Whether they fund them or not, Firefox and Safari are equally useable browsers. I use Firefox as a daily driver in both desktop and mobile and have zero issues. Hell, chromium can do everything chrome can. Maybe they're a monopoly in the online advertising space but I'd argue that's simply because they're better.
    - dotcoma 5y ago
      Firefox is Mozilla‘a browser, and it would be gone tomorrow without the money they get from Google. Safari is a contender on phones, not so much on desktop.
      - parineum 5y ago
        You're considering "contender" when the word you should be using is "competitor". It's not Google's fault people prefer chrome over safari. The fact that people _can_ choose Chrome, Safari, Firefox, Chromium, Brave, etc. is what matters. As long as Google isn't doing anything anti-competitive, it's absolutely okay to dominate the market with a superior product.

Crash0v3rid3 5y ago

Can you explain why you feel that way?

dotcoma 5y ago
For some searches, half the ‘results’ I get are ads. Not to mention how they track people. I’m still using Gmail as a throwaway email address, but for everything else, I’m done with Google.
xanaxagoras 5y ago
Search results aren't that good anymore and Google consistently shovels woke crap down my throat anytime I search for anything more controversial than pizza toppings.
- fidesomnes 5y ago