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by hooande 18y ago

TomOfTTB 18y ago
OK, the points you highlighted don't really disprove what I said. His thesis is built around the idea that there must be an irrational reason for certain people to vote Republican. He then goes out in search of that reason and the bulk of the article is him pursuing that reason which he eventually deems to be a focus on moral concerns that Democrats ignore. But if his thesis was wrong from the outset (which is what I contend in my original comment) than the rest is just fruit of a poisonous tree. Because if “working class” people have a reason to rationally vote Republican than any argument he makes as to why they would irrationally vote Republican is, at best, incomplete and at worst completely wrong.
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- hooande 18y ago
  Perhaps we interpreted his point differently. It sure seemed to me, as evidenced by those highlighted sections above, to be: "We as liberals don't understand why people vote republican. A lot of us believe that they are voting against their economic interests because they are being mislead. In fact, they have a very different system of values than we do and we should learn to understand and respect it"
  - TomOfTTB 18y ago
    Even there I think bias leads you to an inaccurate conclusion. I saw your original comment (don’t know why you changed it there didn’t seem to be anything wrong with it) and for the record I did click on the links and took some of the quizzes (there were a lot). But again I think his bias prevented him from formulating questions that delivered anything but what he wanted to see (which in turn leads to his focus on values in the first place) The quizzes I took focused not on values but on the root of values which is largely irrelevant. So when he asked whether people “think God would approve” as a reason for holding a certain value he’s trying to target what he perceives to be irrational reasons for values rather than looking at the values themselves. The truth is that most actual values are shared between both Republicans and Democrats. Take Gun Control. One side believes we shouldn’t put restrictions on guns because it gives honest people a way to defend themselves while the other believes we should limit gun ownership to keep those guns out of the hands of people who would abuse them. The value behind each position is “to have a society with less violence” the disagreement is just in how to achieve the value. So the conclusion he comes up with (that conservatives have a different set of values) is an inaccurate one generated by biased process.

http://awurl.com/duhUew7J2 http://awurl.com/duhUew7J2 You can click "Jump to Highlights" at the top if you don't feel like scrolling down.

by hooande 18y ago

http://awurl.com/duhUew7J2 http://awurl.com/duhUew7J2 You can click "Jump to Highlights" at the top if you don't feel like scrolling down.

TomOfTTB 18y ago

OK, the points you highlighted don't really disprove what I said. His thesis is built around the idea that there must be an irrational reason for certain people to vote Republican. He then goes out in search of that reason and the bulk of the article is him pursuing that reason which he eventually deems to be a focus on moral concerns that Democrats ignore. But if his thesis was wrong from the outset (which is what I contend in my original comment) than the rest is just fruit of a poisonous tree. Because if “working class” people have a reason to rationally vote Republican than any argument he makes as to why they would irrationally vote Republican is, at best, incomplete and at worst completely wrong.

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hooande 18y ago
Perhaps we interpreted his point differently. It sure seemed to me, as evidenced by those highlighted sections above, to be: "We as liberals don't understand why people vote republican. A lot of us believe that they are voting against their economic interests because they are being mislead. In fact, they have a very different system of values than we do and we should learn to understand and respect it"
- TomOfTTB 18y ago
  Even there I think bias leads you to an inaccurate conclusion. I saw your original comment (don’t know why you changed it there didn’t seem to be anything wrong with it) and for the record I did click on the links and took some of the quizzes (there were a lot). But again I think his bias prevented him from formulating questions that delivered anything but what he wanted to see (which in turn leads to his focus on values in the first place) The quizzes I took focused not on values but on the root of values which is largely irrelevant. So when he asked whether people “think God would approve” as a reason for holding a certain value he’s trying to target what he perceives to be irrational reasons for values rather than looking at the values themselves. The truth is that most actual values are shared between both Republicans and Democrats. Take Gun Control. One side believes we shouldn’t put restrictions on guns because it gives honest people a way to defend themselves while the other believes we should limit gun ownership to keep those guns out of the hands of people who would abuse them. The value behind each position is “to have a society with less violence” the disagreement is just in how to achieve the value. So the conclusion he comes up with (that conservatives have a different set of values) is an inaccurate one generated by biased process.