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When does it become 'biological enhancement'? Maybe all doctors should have a bluetooth implanted, to connect them to an AI or online consultants at all times?

samstave 5y ago
Exactly ; A favorite joke: "One shouldn't do [that medical procedure], as GOD made you perfect and you shouldn't mess with God's! plan!!!" > Thats an interesting comment, may I ask - was God's plan to manufacture those glasses such that you can see clearly and read such from that book, made by man?
- jotm 5y ago
  I used that argument for Jehova's witnesses and religious whatchacallthem on the streets... it's pointless
  - mattigames 5y ago
    - yakubin 5y ago
      Nit: practically everyone believes in invisible things, e.g. electrons, or black holes. :)
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  In a similar vein... A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help. Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.” The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.” So the rowboat went on. Then a motorboat came by. “The fellow in the motorboat shouted, “Jump in, I can save you.” To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the motorboat went on. Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, “Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety.” To this the stranded man again replied, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the helicopter reluctantly flew away. Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!” To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?” I know a few doctors who have told me they've used this one on people who refuse care for religious reasons. Unfortunately they said it rarely works.
airstrike 5y ago
*STARGATE SG-1 SPOILERS* The first episode of Stargate I ever watched sorta touched on this... It's the season 7, episode 5 called "Revisions" with Christopher Heyerdahl. Definitely recommend. It got me hooked on the franchise forever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisions_(Stargate_SG-1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisions_(Stargate_SG-1)
- snek_case 5y ago
  Looked this episode up on YouTube. Some quality TV right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_0O8zB5M_I&t=70s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_0O8zB5M_I&t=70s
  - zionic 5y ago
    The whole series is amazing. I strongly recommend watching SG1 S1-S7, then stargate atlantis S1 in parallel with SG1 S8. Some of the best television ever made. https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/how-to-watch-stargate-in-order/ https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/how-to-watch-stargate-i...
adfgadfgaery 5y ago
An ordinary earpiece is better for all legitimate purposes.
- snek_case 5y ago
  I'm curious what this "micro bluetooth" device looks like.
avgDev 5y ago
I would give so much to see doctors who simply "google" things. As someone who works as dev improving data and efficiency in a business.....i hate people who don't just google things. I implemented something a year ago, maybe its time to refresh my knowledge and see if anything has changed? Some doctors are infuriating, using knowledge they gained 10 years ago. Medicine also changes fairly quickly and quick search could really be a great tool. Imagine this, I have seen many physicians (40+) at top hospitals about "mysterious" symptoms due to a reaction to a medication. 3 agreed its possible. The symptoms are listed on the medication label, plus I have been tested for everything else under the sun. I have sent research to my primary physician who has said, I am the first patient to change his mind about a drug. A quick search just listing my vague symptoms would bring up a possible reaction, or just looking at the damn label.
- WalterBright 5y ago
  There's a lot of medical misinformation online, too.
  - cruano 5y ago
    I mean, it's not like they are going to ask wikihow. Updated versions of their books and medical journals, or even a stackoverflow-like platform where they could discuss and read answers would be magnitudes better. Maybe humans memorizing tons of information was the best approach for medicine a century ago, but it's not the case anymore
    - WalterBright 5y ago
      An educated man is not a person filled with facts, but a person who knows where to get particular information he needs.
  - gbear605 5y ago
    There are medical databases specifically for things like this (not available to the general public), but doctors often don’t reference them because of false confidence or time pressure.
oceanplexian 5y ago
I used to work in this industry. Medicine is the most broken, indoctrinated, risk-averse, technology-averse industry of them all. These are people who still use fax machines. Ask your doctor for some basic imaging or so much as a print out of your chart and they'll deny your problem, then give you confused dirty looks and talk down to you. Compare that with Dentistry. I had a problem and walked in with an hour's notice, had a x-ray from a handheld scanner emailed to me with the problem highlighted within 5 minutes like something out of Star Trek.
- withinboredom 5y ago
  That’s not exactly the industries fault though. For example, in the US, you have to get a mammogram BY LAW. It doesn’t even matter that there are better and more reliable methods to detect breast cancer, the law said it MUST be a mammogram. https://www.factcheck.org/2013/10/aca-doesnt-restrict-mammograms/#:~:text=The%20law%20requires%20Medicare%20to%20cover%20a%20yearly,two%20years%20for%20women%20starting%20at%20age%2040 https://www.factcheck.org/2013/10/aca-doesnt-restrict-mammog.... Anyway, then you have companies like Theranos who come along and prove why it’s a good idea to be risk adverse. Snake oil has been sold for a long time, and it really isn’t until “recently” that it has been illegal to sell it (since a bit after 1906, in the US).
- 2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
  Is this an American thing? In Australia all imaging is stored on the cloud somewhere. For a reason unknown to me, you still get the huge envelope. But inside is just a piece of paper with some public id and a QRcode. You don’t really need these. The doctor who ordered the imaging will automatically get forwarded the results. If you are refereed to a specialist, they will get it to.
- owenversteeg 5y ago
  I agree, for some reason dentistry and orthodontics seem far more technologically advanced than the rest of medicine. In addition to handheld x-rays like you mentioned, I’ve seen dentists/orthodontists use 3D printers, 3D scanners (e.x. iTero Element) and modern composites. Small sample size, but all the orthodontists and dentists’ offices I’ve been in are clearly embracing new technology as much as they can, while every doctor’s office I’ve been in has seemed like it could be a hundred years old. I wonder why that is.
abeppu 5y ago
It's bad enough when hospitals get hacked. I can't imagine the problems that happen when the medical staff's 'biological enhancements' are hacked. In this community we sometimes talk about how some technical interviews are deeply unrealistic because they remove the candidate from, e.g. their IDE with tab autocompletion, or googling, which you might normally depend on. Your skills are best measured when you have access to the tools and environment which you'd actually use while working. And yet ... sometimes you can pair program with someone and it's clear that they don't really understand what they're accepting from the autocomplete, and this is legitimate cause for concern. I think I want doctors to definitely know a bunch of stuff unaided, even if they would normally always have access to supplementary references. If nothing else, they should have the habits of mind to be able to critically evaluate their references, and notice when they're wrong or suspect.

samstave 5y ago

Exactly ; A favorite joke: "One shouldn't do [that medical procedure], as GOD made you perfect and you shouldn't mess with God's! plan!!!" > Thats an interesting comment, may I ask - was God's plan to manufacture those glasses such that you can see clearly and read such from that book, made by man?

jotm 5y ago
I used that argument for Jehova's witnesses and religious whatchacallthem on the streets... it's pointless
- mattigames 5y ago
  - yakubin 5y ago
    Nit: practically everyone believes in invisible things, e.g. electrons, or black holes. :)
colinmhayes 5y ago
In a similar vein... A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help. Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.” The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.” So the rowboat went on. Then a motorboat came by. “The fellow in the motorboat shouted, “Jump in, I can save you.” To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the motorboat went on. Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, “Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety.” To this the stranded man again replied, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the helicopter reluctantly flew away. Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!” To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?” I know a few doctors who have told me they've used this one on people who refuse care for religious reasons. Unfortunately they said it rarely works.

airstrike 5y ago

*STARGATE SG-1 SPOILERS* The first episode of Stargate I ever watched sorta touched on this... It's the season 7, episode 5 called "Revisions" with Christopher Heyerdahl. Definitely recommend. It got me hooked on the franchise forever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisions_(Stargate_SG-1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisions_(Stargate_SG-1)

snek_case 5y ago
Looked this episode up on YouTube. Some quality TV right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_0O8zB5M_I&t=70s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_0O8zB5M_I&t=70s
- zionic 5y ago
  The whole series is amazing. I strongly recommend watching SG1 S1-S7, then stargate atlantis S1 in parallel with SG1 S8. Some of the best television ever made. https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/how-to-watch-stargate-in-order/ https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/how-to-watch-stargate-i...

adfgadfgaery 5y ago

An ordinary earpiece is better for all legitimate purposes.

snek_case 5y ago
I'm curious what this "micro bluetooth" device looks like.

avgDev 5y ago

I would give so much to see doctors who simply "google" things. As someone who works as dev improving data and efficiency in a business.....i hate people who don't just google things. I implemented something a year ago, maybe its time to refresh my knowledge and see if anything has changed? Some doctors are infuriating, using knowledge they gained 10 years ago. Medicine also changes fairly quickly and quick search could really be a great tool. Imagine this, I have seen many physicians (40+) at top hospitals about "mysterious" symptoms due to a reaction to a medication. 3 agreed its possible. The symptoms are listed on the medication label, plus I have been tested for everything else under the sun. I have sent research to my primary physician who has said, I am the first patient to change his mind about a drug. A quick search just listing my vague symptoms would bring up a possible reaction, or just looking at the damn label.

WalterBright 5y ago
There's a lot of medical misinformation online, too.
- cruano 5y ago
  I mean, it's not like they are going to ask wikihow. Updated versions of their books and medical journals, or even a stackoverflow-like platform where they could discuss and read answers would be magnitudes better. Maybe humans memorizing tons of information was the best approach for medicine a century ago, but it's not the case anymore
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    An educated man is not a person filled with facts, but a person who knows where to get particular information he needs.
- gbear605 5y ago
  There are medical databases specifically for things like this (not available to the general public), but doctors often don’t reference them because of false confidence or time pressure.

oceanplexian 5y ago

I used to work in this industry. Medicine is the most broken, indoctrinated, risk-averse, technology-averse industry of them all. These are people who still use fax machines. Ask your doctor for some basic imaging or so much as a print out of your chart and they'll deny your problem, then give you confused dirty looks and talk down to you. Compare that with Dentistry. I had a problem and walked in with an hour's notice, had a x-ray from a handheld scanner emailed to me with the problem highlighted within 5 minutes like something out of Star Trek.

withinboredom 5y ago
That’s not exactly the industries fault though. For example, in the US, you have to get a mammogram BY LAW. It doesn’t even matter that there are better and more reliable methods to detect breast cancer, the law said it MUST be a mammogram. https://www.factcheck.org/2013/10/aca-doesnt-restrict-mammograms/#:~:text=The%20law%20requires%20Medicare%20to%20cover%20a%20yearly,two%20years%20for%20women%20starting%20at%20age%2040 https://www.factcheck.org/2013/10/aca-doesnt-restrict-mammog.... Anyway, then you have companies like Theranos who come along and prove why it’s a good idea to be risk adverse. Snake oil has been sold for a long time, and it really isn’t until “recently” that it has been illegal to sell it (since a bit after 1906, in the US).
2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
Is this an American thing? In Australia all imaging is stored on the cloud somewhere. For a reason unknown to me, you still get the huge envelope. But inside is just a piece of paper with some public id and a QRcode. You don’t really need these. The doctor who ordered the imaging will automatically get forwarded the results. If you are refereed to a specialist, they will get it to.
owenversteeg 5y ago
I agree, for some reason dentistry and orthodontics seem far more technologically advanced than the rest of medicine. In addition to handheld x-rays like you mentioned, I’ve seen dentists/orthodontists use 3D printers, 3D scanners (e.x. iTero Element) and modern composites. Small sample size, but all the orthodontists and dentists’ offices I’ve been in are clearly embracing new technology as much as they can, while every doctor’s office I’ve been in has seemed like it could be a hundred years old. I wonder why that is.

abeppu 5y ago

It's bad enough when hospitals get hacked. I can't imagine the problems that happen when the medical staff's 'biological enhancements' are hacked. In this community we sometimes talk about how some technical interviews are deeply unrealistic because they remove the candidate from, e.g. their IDE with tab autocompletion, or googling, which you might normally depend on. Your skills are best measured when you have access to the tools and environment which you'd actually use while working. And yet ... sometimes you can pair program with someone and it's clear that they don't really understand what they're accepting from the autocomplete, and this is legitimate cause for concern. I think I want doctors to definitely know a bunch of stuff unaided, even if they would normally always have access to supplementary references. If nothing else, they should have the habits of mind to be able to critically evaluate their references, and notice when they're wrong or suspect.