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>"They don't commit crime because... crime sucks, it's not fun, and it's not really necessary for most people." This doesn't explain vandalism, joyriding, or k

>"They don't commit crime because... crime sucks, it's not fun, and it's not really necessary for most people." This doesn't explain vandalism, joyriding, or kleptomania. Additionally, the notion that "it's not really necessary for most people" is true, but misleading. But have you considered that some people realize theft is an easier alternative to being gainfully employed? Why bother putting up with a boss and paying taxes when I can steal a single catalytic converter and make $2K under the table? That's like a month's worth of salary gained in 20 minutes. >"The people who do crime aren't like "haha they won't prosecute me, sweet, finally I can go commit crimes". They're desperate." I don't think you have ever met a criminal. Some are desperate, but why can't you recognize that crime is lucrative and a preferable alternative for these people? For lots of people, if they can get away with it, they'll do it. Their conscience doesn't bother them like it would for you and I. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyride_(crime) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyride_(crime)

staticassertion 5y ago
> This doesn't explain vandalism, joyriding, or kleptomania. These are pretty minor crimes lol I'll be really happy if we get to a point where we have to worry about these things. > But have you considered that some people realize theft is an easier alternative to being gainfully employed? I mean, yes, I've considered it. I dismissed it because it's sort of idiotic. Is it better than working a job with no healthcare, benefits, a minimum wage, and the chance to be fired at any time with no safety nets? Sure, yeah. We should fix that. > why can't you recognize that crime is lucrative and a preferable alternative for these people? We both agree that crime is preferable for some people. We just disagree about why. > Their conscience doesn't bother them like it would for you and I. Years of living in an abusive society, learning that crime is a survival mechanism, etc, will naturally do that to anyone.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  >"These are pretty minor crimes lol I'll be really happy if we get to a point where we have to worry about these things." "Pretty minor crimes, lol". I sense you live in a nice area and have lived a sheltered life. You may not have to worry about such things, but plenty of people are not so fortunate. Have you ever had your home broken into? Your family's car stolen and joyridden? I have, multiple times. It's easy to write these things off as minor concerns when it's not happening to you.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    I'm laughing because your points are so bad, to be clear, not at the crimes.
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      Haha, I guess that makes me feel better.

staticassertion 5y ago

> This doesn't explain vandalism, joyriding, or kleptomania. These are pretty minor crimes lol I'll be really happy if we get to a point where we have to worry about these things. > But have you considered that some people realize theft is an easier alternative to being gainfully employed? I mean, yes, I've considered it. I dismissed it because it's sort of idiotic. Is it better than working a job with no healthcare, benefits, a minimum wage, and the chance to be fired at any time with no safety nets? Sure, yeah. We should fix that. > why can't you recognize that crime is lucrative and a preferable alternative for these people? We both agree that crime is preferable for some people. We just disagree about why. > Their conscience doesn't bother them like it would for you and I. Years of living in an abusive society, learning that crime is a survival mechanism, etc, will naturally do that to anyone.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
>"These are pretty minor crimes lol I'll be really happy if we get to a point where we have to worry about these things." "Pretty minor crimes, lol". I sense you live in a nice area and have lived a sheltered life. You may not have to worry about such things, but plenty of people are not so fortunate. Have you ever had your home broken into? Your family's car stolen and joyridden? I have, multiple times. It's easy to write these things off as minor concerns when it's not happening to you.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  I'm laughing because your points are so bad, to be clear, not at the crimes.
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    Haha, I guess that makes me feel better.