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Not to single you out, but so many responses are trying to offer some single factor that is suddenly making this worse when most of them are long term trends th

Not to single you out, but so many responses are trying to offer some single factor that is suddenly making this worse when most of them are long term trends that should apply to other places this isn't happening. So while driver's education probably should look a lot more like civilian pilot licensing with required x hours of instruction time, that by itself isn't going to have noticeable effects for years as the median age driver cohort benefitting from that becomes larger. It'll take years to tease out what is going on here, but if nothing else the take-away is to be careful out there, and it's not just anecdata that it's more dangerous.

sidewndr46 5y ago
> driver's education probably should look a lot more like civilian pilot licensing with required x hours of instruction time To get my driver's license in Alabama I was required to do this at the time. But it was self-attested, there was no independent verification of driving experience.
- giantg2 5y ago
  Yep and the "instructor" is usually just a parent, who may also be lacking in some areas.
mikepurvis 5y ago
> ... as the median age driver cohort benefitting from that becomes larger There's already a lot of benefits "in the pipeline" that take decades to fully manifest. For example, Ontario introduced the current graduated licensing scheme in 1994 [0], but that means there are still millions of increasingly older drivers on the road who were never required to pass the G2 and G tests that anyone under 40 has. Overall, it's just absurd that driver's licenses don't require a retest every 5-10 years, but that kind of change would obviously a much harder sell to the public than giving them a pass to blame the reckless youth with one hand, and a pull-up-the-ladder type fix to the problem with the other. [0] https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/4762414-ontario-s-20-year-graduated-licensing-system-has-saved-lives-but-experts-say-more-can-be-done/ https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/4762414-ontario-s-2...

sidewndr46 5y ago

> driver's education probably should look a lot more like civilian pilot licensing with required x hours of instruction time To get my driver's license in Alabama I was required to do this at the time. But it was self-attested, there was no independent verification of driving experience.

giantg2 5y ago
Yep and the "instructor" is usually just a parent, who may also be lacking in some areas.

mikepurvis 5y ago

> ... as the median age driver cohort benefitting from that becomes larger There's already a lot of benefits "in the pipeline" that take decades to fully manifest. For example, Ontario introduced the current graduated licensing scheme in 1994 [0], but that means there are still millions of increasingly older drivers on the road who were never required to pass the G2 and G tests that anyone under 40 has. Overall, it's just absurd that driver's licenses don't require a retest every 5-10 years, but that kind of change would obviously a much harder sell to the public than giving them a pass to blame the reckless youth with one hand, and a pull-up-the-ladder type fix to the problem with the other. [0] https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/4762414-ontario-s-20-year-graduated-licensing-system-has-saved-lives-but-experts-say-more-can-be-done/ https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/4762414-ontario-s-2...