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> East Ukrainians identify as Russian This is not true, ignorant, and parrots hateful Russian state propaganda.

by yks 5y ago

infamouscow 5y ago
So my friend from Ukraine is lying and reciting Russian state propaganda? If there was ever a time for him to be anti-Russia, presumably, it would be whilst his country is being invaded. I guess you're right. I'm clearly ignorant for trying to wade through the immense amount of propaganda from both sides[1] here by getting some insight from someone born and raised in Kyiv. Also, I think Russian state-backed media is banned in the US now (where I am), but I could be wrong. 1: https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-...
- cuteboy19 5y ago
  I find it curious that you mentioned the us banning Russian propaganda, but no mention of Russia going full great firewall the past few weeks
  - yks 5y ago
    I hope that these people are just paid Russian trolls cause if that many people in the West are following Russian propaganda so blindly, the future is bleak. Russia has not produced anything of value to humanity in decades, just suffering and decay of common sense.
  - infamouscow 5y ago
    I was trying to refute the claims of the GP. Please don't insinuate I'm on Russia's side because I'm trying to understand both sides of this horrific situation. It's possible to be pro-Ukraine but also see why Putin invaded.* We need nuance rather than black-or-white positions. *: I'm still trying to wrap my head around this.
    - cuteboy19 5y ago
      Not an explanation for my question but sure. I will believe you. I just see the same talking points as RT, which is why I was curious
- yks 5y ago
  Accepting the most radical point of view of the state massacring civilians in another country is not "trying to wade through the immense amount of propaganda from both sides". Even if your friend "born and raised in Kyiv" is real, lived in Ukraine in recent decades and its their actual point of view that Ukrainians == Russians, that's still just an anecdote. And well, because of people with the views like that, horrible atrocities are justified.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  Russian state-backed media is not "banned" in the US (who, exactly, would do this universal "ban"?), and the fact that you think such a thing is even possible makes me suspicious of your claim that you're from or are currently in the US to begin with...
- wiseowise 5y ago
  > So my friend from Ukraine is lying and reciting Russian state propaganda? I'm Ukrainian from South. Yes, he's lying. They might speak Russian or be sceptical about decisions that our government makes, but they're in no way identify themselves as Russians.

> East Ukrainians identify as Russian This is not true, ignorant, and parrots hateful Russian state propaganda.

by yks 5y ago

> East Ukrainians identify as Russian This is not true, ignorant, and parrots hateful Russian state propaganda.

So my friend from Ukraine is lying and reciting Russian state propaganda? If there was ever a time for him to be anti-Russia, presumably, it would be whilst his country is being invaded. I guess you're right. I'm clearly ignorant for trying to wade through the immense amount of propaganda from both sides[1] here by getting some insight from someone born and raised in Kyiv. Also, I think Russian state-backed media is banned in the US now (where I am), but I could be wrong. 1: https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-...

cuteboy19 5y ago
I find it curious that you mentioned the us banning Russian propaganda, but no mention of Russia going full great firewall the past few weeks
- yks 5y ago
  I hope that these people are just paid Russian trolls cause if that many people in the West are following Russian propaganda so blindly, the future is bleak. Russia has not produced anything of value to humanity in decades, just suffering and decay of common sense.
- infamouscow 5y ago
  I was trying to refute the claims of the GP. Please don't insinuate I'm on Russia's side because I'm trying to understand both sides of this horrific situation. It's possible to be pro-Ukraine but also see why Putin invaded.* We need nuance rather than black-or-white positions. *: I'm still trying to wrap my head around this.
  - cuteboy19 5y ago
    Not an explanation for my question but sure. I will believe you. I just see the same talking points as RT, which is why I was curious
yks 5y ago
Accepting the most radical point of view of the state massacring civilians in another country is not "trying to wade through the immense amount of propaganda from both sides". Even if your friend "born and raised in Kyiv" is real, lived in Ukraine in recent decades and its their actual point of view that Ukrainians == Russians, that's still just an anecdote. And well, because of people with the views like that, horrible atrocities are justified.
TameAntelope 5y ago
Russian state-backed media is not "banned" in the US (who, exactly, would do this universal "ban"?), and the fact that you think such a thing is even possible makes me suspicious of your claim that you're from or are currently in the US to begin with...
wiseowise 5y ago
> So my friend from Ukraine is lying and reciting Russian state propaganda? I'm Ukrainian from South. Yes, he's lying. They might speak Russian or be sceptical about decisions that our government makes, but they're in no way identify themselves as Russians.