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I think the idea is that we're punishing Russia for inciting war and rewarding countries that have repressed their urges to attack other countries. You would t

I think the idea is that we're punishing Russia for inciting war and rewarding countries that have repressed their urges to attack other countries. You would think India would greatly empathize with the plight of the Ukrainian people given that Pakistan would like to steamroll India and China would love to subjugate India diplomatically. I really don't know why India thinks this is a good idea other than that they think they could single-handedly take on both China and Pakistan without the West's help in the future.

manojlds 5y ago
If China attacks, Russia will be the intermediary for any trilateral talks. If Pakistan attacks, it's because of all the money that US put in to Pakistan for Afghanistan and war against terror. If it's also only Pakistan, Russia will help in China not directly getting involved. Geopolitics is complicated. Least you can do is remove some of the ignorance of historical relationships. If US is not helping Ukraine, do you think it will directly help India against China?
- beebmam 5y ago
  Every nation is interested in preventing wars of aggression due to their potential to grow out of control and escalate to a world war, except for nations who have their own imperial ambitions
  - manojlds 5y ago
    Are you saying India is that? The country known for non alignment and no aggression in history? It's a third world country trying to survive. Everyday oil is $100+, India bleeds heavily.
rmk 5y ago
India empathizes with Ukraine, and is sending humanitarian assistance. But it buys 85% of its military hardware from Russia. Russia has supported it on many occasions in the past, whereas the USA once sent the USS Enterprise into Indian waters to stop India going to war with the then (East) Pakistan, where genocide was being committed. The USA was then a close ally of Pakistan. India is slowly warming to the USA and is in the quad and other security-oriented multilateral relationships but there is very well-founded distrust of the US and a general positive feeling about Russia, its most steadfast and reliable ally ever since India became independent and pursued a policy of non-alignment during the cold war.
belltaco 5y ago
India has over 100 million poor people, and a lot more in lower middle class who will plunge into poverty because of the higher oil prices, and the resultant increase in the cost of food and goods due to higher cost of transportation. The import bill will be $60 billion higher, leaving less money to spend on social welfare and the military to deter China's aggression. The choice is not simple like in the west, if they don't get cheaper gas millions may die.
- jimbob45 5y ago
  I understand what you're saying and I certainly wouldn't want to be a decision-maker in India in 2022. That said, Russia now seems to have a capricious and unstable leader. Gas prices are bad but the choice is either to stomach the high prices now or wait until Russia rips the band-aid off later for you at their own leisure.
  - srvmshr 5y ago
    Just to chime in, the lackadaisical efforts by India in supporting Ukraine is also due to the NIMBY effect. Compared to a war in a distant land, poverty & hunger are more pressing issues for them. They don't have an incentive to bend over the back for extra $60Bn in energy import, especially when Ukraine hasn't stood as a all-weather friend for them

manojlds 5y ago

If China attacks, Russia will be the intermediary for any trilateral talks. If Pakistan attacks, it's because of all the money that US put in to Pakistan for Afghanistan and war against terror. If it's also only Pakistan, Russia will help in China not directly getting involved. Geopolitics is complicated. Least you can do is remove some of the ignorance of historical relationships. If US is not helping Ukraine, do you think it will directly help India against China?

beebmam 5y ago
Every nation is interested in preventing wars of aggression due to their potential to grow out of control and escalate to a world war, except for nations who have their own imperial ambitions
- manojlds 5y ago
  Are you saying India is that? The country known for non alignment and no aggression in history? It's a third world country trying to survive. Everyday oil is $100+, India bleeds heavily.

rmk 5y ago

India empathizes with Ukraine, and is sending humanitarian assistance. But it buys 85% of its military hardware from Russia. Russia has supported it on many occasions in the past, whereas the USA once sent the USS Enterprise into Indian waters to stop India going to war with the then (East) Pakistan, where genocide was being committed. The USA was then a close ally of Pakistan. India is slowly warming to the USA and is in the quad and other security-oriented multilateral relationships but there is very well-founded distrust of the US and a general positive feeling about Russia, its most steadfast and reliable ally ever since India became independent and pursued a policy of non-alignment during the cold war.

belltaco 5y ago

India has over 100 million poor people, and a lot more in lower middle class who will plunge into poverty because of the higher oil prices, and the resultant increase in the cost of food and goods due to higher cost of transportation. The import bill will be $60 billion higher, leaving less money to spend on social welfare and the military to deter China's aggression. The choice is not simple like in the west, if they don't get cheaper gas millions may die.

jimbob45 5y ago
I understand what you're saying and I certainly wouldn't want to be a decision-maker in India in 2022. That said, Russia now seems to have a capricious and unstable leader. Gas prices are bad but the choice is either to stomach the high prices now or wait until Russia rips the band-aid off later for you at their own leisure.
- srvmshr 5y ago
  Just to chime in, the lackadaisical efforts by India in supporting Ukraine is also due to the NIMBY effect. Compared to a war in a distant land, poverty & hunger are more pressing issues for them. They don't have an incentive to bend over the back for extra $60Bn in energy import, especially when Ukraine hasn't stood as a all-weather friend for them