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I'm not sure how Intel can ever compete in the consumer laptop market again. Apple could easily produce a knocked down M1 Macbook base model for ~$599, at which

I'm not sure how Intel can ever compete in the consumer laptop market again. Apple could easily produce a knocked down M1 Macbook base model for ~$599, at which point all but the low end Chromebook market goes to them.

kaladin_1 5y ago
Well, with the pocket size of Intel, I would assume that some sort of serious research would be going on at the moment to maintain their dominance in that market. They would fight Apple in this. They also have AMD to fight for the non-M1 chip market... For a company used to enjoying dominance they have a lot of work to do to remain at the top.
- faeriechangling 5y ago
  Intel at this point is famous for blowing tons of R&D budget with little to show for it. I think the better question is if Intel can successfully eject its incompetent managers from the company.
kayoone 5y ago
i don't think Apple is particularly interested in the low end Chromebook market. It has also been largely replaced by tablets and phablets and is pretty niche nowadays.
- ramesh31 5y ago
  >i don't think Apple is particularly interested in the low end Chromebook market. It has also been largely replaced by tablets and phablets and is pretty niche nowadays. Kind of my point though; the low end isn't even worth it for PC manufacturers anymore. And by the time you get to a ~$600 laptop, you can have a cheap M1 device with 10x the performance/watt. The new M1 iPad Air starts at $700, and absolutely blows any existing Intel laptop out of the water, short of a desktop replacement gaming rig with discrete GPU.
simonh 5y ago
It'll never happen, far too many people that would otherwise buy a $1000 laptop would buy a $600 one instead. Why give up that $400?
hajile 5y ago
With inflation and chip supply issues, Apple is much more likely to keep their prices and wait for everything else to catch up.
kllrnohj 5y ago
Alder Lake is no slouch and already out. M1, and really MacOS itself, need to both be substantially better than they are already to get people to move off of Windows or Linux & x86 in general
- klelatti 5y ago
  2021 Mac market share gains prove this to be incorrect.
  - kllrnohj 5y ago
    Source & analysis needed. Poking around Apple's 2021 marketshare wasn't anything particularly special, and https://www.statista.com/statistics/576473/united-states-quarterly-pc-shipment-share-apple/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/576473/united-states-qua... isn't showing any sort of "M1 driven spike", either. Apple's y/y growth was larger than PC's y/y growth (Annual growth for Mac was 28.3%, against 14.6% for the global PC market), but note there both are still growing. Meaning M1 didn't suddenly convert the industry. Regardless a one year data point certainly doesn't prove a trend, certainly not of the "Apple is going to destroy Intel/AMD/Nvidia" variety.
    - klelatti 5y ago
      So M1 and MacOS aren’t good enough to get people to switch but we have Mac sales increasing at almost double the PC market. Hmmm. And fair enough to say many people won’t switch because of inertia / software lock in which is true - but that’s not because of the quality of M1 or MacOS.
wmf 5y ago
Intel Arrow Lake may be competitive with M2 Pro, maybe M2 Max.

kaladin_1 5y ago

Well, with the pocket size of Intel, I would assume that some sort of serious research would be going on at the moment to maintain their dominance in that market. They would fight Apple in this. They also have AMD to fight for the non-M1 chip market... For a company used to enjoying dominance they have a lot of work to do to remain at the top.

faeriechangling 5y ago
Intel at this point is famous for blowing tons of R&D budget with little to show for it. I think the better question is if Intel can successfully eject its incompetent managers from the company.

kayoone 5y ago

i don't think Apple is particularly interested in the low end Chromebook market. It has also been largely replaced by tablets and phablets and is pretty niche nowadays.

ramesh31 5y ago
>i don't think Apple is particularly interested in the low end Chromebook market. It has also been largely replaced by tablets and phablets and is pretty niche nowadays. Kind of my point though; the low end isn't even worth it for PC manufacturers anymore. And by the time you get to a ~$600 laptop, you can have a cheap M1 device with 10x the performance/watt. The new M1 iPad Air starts at $700, and absolutely blows any existing Intel laptop out of the water, short of a desktop replacement gaming rig with discrete GPU.

simonh 5y ago

It'll never happen, far too many people that would otherwise buy a $1000 laptop would buy a $600 one instead. Why give up that $400?

hajile 5y ago

With inflation and chip supply issues, Apple is much more likely to keep their prices and wait for everything else to catch up.

kllrnohj 5y ago

Alder Lake is no slouch and already out. M1, and really MacOS itself, need to both be substantially better than they are already to get people to move off of Windows or Linux & x86 in general

klelatti 5y ago
2021 Mac market share gains prove this to be incorrect.
- kllrnohj 5y ago
  Source & analysis needed. Poking around Apple's 2021 marketshare wasn't anything particularly special, and https://www.statista.com/statistics/576473/united-states-quarterly-pc-shipment-share-apple/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/576473/united-states-qua... isn't showing any sort of "M1 driven spike", either. Apple's y/y growth was larger than PC's y/y growth (Annual growth for Mac was 28.3%, against 14.6% for the global PC market), but note there both are still growing. Meaning M1 didn't suddenly convert the industry. Regardless a one year data point certainly doesn't prove a trend, certainly not of the "Apple is going to destroy Intel/AMD/Nvidia" variety.
  - klelatti 5y ago
    So M1 and MacOS aren’t good enough to get people to switch but we have Mac sales increasing at almost double the PC market. Hmmm. And fair enough to say many people won’t switch because of inertia / software lock in which is true - but that’s not because of the quality of M1 or MacOS.

wmf 5y ago

Intel Arrow Lake may be competitive with M2 Pro, maybe M2 Max.