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Actually moores law is Alive and well. https://getdigitaltech.com/scientists-simply-made-a-graphene-transistor-gate-the-width-of-an-atom/ https://getdigitaltech

Actually moores law is Alive and well. https://getdigitaltech.com/scientists-simply-made-a-graphene-transistor-gate-the-width-of-an-atom/ https://getdigitaltech.com/scientists-simply-made-a-graphene...

esperent 5y ago
Fascinating stuff. But: > To be clear, the work is a proof of idea: The researchers haven’t meaningfully scaled the strategy. Fabricating a handful of transistors isn’t the identical as manufacturing billions on a chip and flawlessly making billions of these chips to be used in laptops and smartphones. Ren additionally factors out that 2D supplies, like molybdenum disulfide, are nonetheless dear and manufacturing high-quality stuff at scale is a problem. Raises a question I've had for a while - is Moore's Law based on current production silicon or cutting edge research silicon that doesn't exist in consumer products yet? The products in this article could be 5, 10, or 15 (or infinity) years away from large scale manufacturer. Do they count?
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  Moore's law is very much about real, commercial products and economics of manufacturing hem. https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/05/moores-law-electronics.pdf https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/... These "research" transistors have never had any bearing on the reality of economically manufacturing products. Here's a paper way back 50 years ago they were already making tiny transistors with electron beam processes https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5391506 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5391506 - it would be about another 15 years before commercial chips were made with this transistor dimension, and that's 15 years at the height of Moore's law. Not to say they don't inform what might be possible and advance knowledge of the physics, but it's not much of a predictor about what might become economically viable to make.

esperent 5y ago

Fascinating stuff. But: > To be clear, the work is a proof of idea: The researchers haven’t meaningfully scaled the strategy. Fabricating a handful of transistors isn’t the identical as manufacturing billions on a chip and flawlessly making billions of these chips to be used in laptops and smartphones. Ren additionally factors out that 2D supplies, like molybdenum disulfide, are nonetheless dear and manufacturing high-quality stuff at scale is a problem. Raises a question I've had for a while - is Moore's Law based on current production silicon or cutting edge research silicon that doesn't exist in consumer products yet? The products in this article could be 5, 10, or 15 (or infinity) years away from large scale manufacturer. Do they count?

throwawaylinux 5y ago
Moore's law is very much about real, commercial products and economics of manufacturing hem. https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/05/moores-law-electronics.pdf https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/... These "research" transistors have never had any bearing on the reality of economically manufacturing products. Here's a paper way back 50 years ago they were already making tiny transistors with electron beam processes https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5391506 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5391506 - it would be about another 15 years before commercial chips were made with this transistor dimension, and that's 15 years at the height of Moore's law. Not to say they don't inform what might be possible and advance knowledge of the physics, but it's not much of a predictor about what might become economically viable to make.