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I really think that consensual pornography should be allowed, but considering how much coercion and abuse there is in the field it's pretty obvious that there i

I really think that consensual pornography should be allowed, but considering how much coercion and abuse there is in the field it's pretty obvious that there is no way around regulation. I really hope that the EU finds a way to regulate the business without killing it. I think consensual sex work should be allowed, especially if it's in a way where sex workers are in control of their own image. But if the big platforms all ignore the problem and refuse to proactively do something against abuse, then the religious fundamentalists will win. A lot of platforms have started outright banning pornography and/or sex work, which just pushes people to less scrupulous sites.

zwirbl 5y ago
Consensual, sure, but the issues go much deeper. Take Youtube and the issues with copyrighted content, swap copyright for violence/rape/voyeurism/underage/revenge porn and the likes, then you start grasping how bad these issues get on porn sites.
girafffe_i 5y ago
Will this get solved with Blockchain/NFTs? If every image is legered, it could also need consent forms tied to the it, which could also be legered.
slothtrop 5y ago
As I understand it, professional studio pornography itself is regulated (but needs more), while streaming businesses that overwhelmingly rely on pirated content are even less regulated, to the extent that there is always an issue with revenge porn or abusive/non-legal uploads (this led to the blow-up with PornHub, which started using verified accounts, but users just flocked elsewhere because: piracy). The political football surrounding this has led to proposed bills that tend to increase surveillance powers / impact privacy, rather than mitigate issues like trafficking and abuse. My impression is that the OnlyFans/Chaturbate approach to porn is more kosher to the extent that women overwhelmingly seem to work for themselves (verified accounts by default). They become "personalities". Coercion is still possible here, but really, it will never be zero. The surprising thing when watching docs for porn (like Hot Girls Wanted or whatever), even under a negative light, is there doesn't seem to be much persuasion needed; they answer ads that are clearly for porn, and get on a flight. Consent gets murkier surrounding the more extreme options available.
- Beltalowda 5y ago
digianarchist 5y ago
It's hard to regulate an industry that is largely reputation based. A woman calling out an abuser usually leads to blacklisting in the industry. There are exceptions of course when enough people speak up. Like when James Deen was accused of rape. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Deen#Rape_and_sexual_misconduct_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Deen#Rape_and_sexual_mis...
- gjvnq 5y ago
  How about requiring all work to be filmed and the footage deposited with some government agency and let anyone send anonymously reports to authorities so when abuse happens, the authorities can look for the abuse footage and call all the people who were there for questioning and to look for further instances of abuse. This way the models can "save face" when reporting what happened.
  - digianarchist 5y ago
    They already do this to a degree. Interviewing a model before and after the shoot to ask them if they are OK, no model says no because they want to get paid.
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azth 5y ago
> I really think that consensual pornography should be allowed, and continue contributing to the decline of society, just great.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
Many issues boil down to the actresses being basically abused and swindled. They are young, inexperienced, displosable and replaceable, have no inderstanding of law or their rights, unable to afford a lawyer, having no rights over the content, etc. If we made it so that the actress would retain un-transferrable copyright over the final work, and could pull it from the platform at any time, for example in case the work results in deaththreats to them, the relationship would change overnight. Would it be too risky to produce porn? So what, why should the 'actor' assume all the risk of reputation, defamation, injury, etc.? Transfer all the risk to the business, what, are we are gonna run out of porn?

zwirbl 5y ago

Consensual, sure, but the issues go much deeper. Take Youtube and the issues with copyrighted content, swap copyright for violence/rape/voyeurism/underage/revenge porn and the likes, then you start grasping how bad these issues get on porn sites.

girafffe_i 5y ago

Will this get solved with Blockchain/NFTs? If every image is legered, it could also need consent forms tied to the it, which could also be legered.

slothtrop 5y ago

As I understand it, professional studio pornography itself is regulated (but needs more), while streaming businesses that overwhelmingly rely on pirated content are even less regulated, to the extent that there is always an issue with revenge porn or abusive/non-legal uploads (this led to the blow-up with PornHub, which started using verified accounts, but users just flocked elsewhere because: piracy). The political football surrounding this has led to proposed bills that tend to increase surveillance powers / impact privacy, rather than mitigate issues like trafficking and abuse. My impression is that the OnlyFans/Chaturbate approach to porn is more kosher to the extent that women overwhelmingly seem to work for themselves (verified accounts by default). They become "personalities". Coercion is still possible here, but really, it will never be zero. The surprising thing when watching docs for porn (like Hot Girls Wanted or whatever), even under a negative light, is there doesn't seem to be much persuasion needed; they answer ads that are clearly for porn, and get on a flight. Consent gets murkier surrounding the more extreme options available.

Beltalowda 5y ago

digianarchist 5y ago

It's hard to regulate an industry that is largely reputation based. A woman calling out an abuser usually leads to blacklisting in the industry. There are exceptions of course when enough people speak up. Like when James Deen was accused of rape. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Deen#Rape_and_sexual_misconduct_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Deen#Rape_and_sexual_mis...

gjvnq 5y ago
How about requiring all work to be filmed and the footage deposited with some government agency and let anyone send anonymously reports to authorities so when abuse happens, the authorities can look for the abuse footage and call all the people who were there for questioning and to look for further instances of abuse. This way the models can "save face" when reporting what happened.
- digianarchist 5y ago
  They already do this to a degree. Interviewing a model before and after the shoot to ask them if they are OK, no model says no because they want to get paid.
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azth 5y ago

> I really think that consensual pornography should be allowed, and continue contributing to the decline of society, just great.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

Many issues boil down to the actresses being basically abused and swindled. They are young, inexperienced, displosable and replaceable, have no inderstanding of law or their rights, unable to afford a lawyer, having no rights over the content, etc. If we made it so that the actress would retain un-transferrable copyright over the final work, and could pull it from the platform at any time, for example in case the work results in deaththreats to them, the relationship would change overnight. Would it be too risky to produce porn? So what, why should the 'actor' assume all the risk of reputation, defamation, injury, etc.? Transfer all the risk to the business, what, are we are gonna run out of porn?