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The UN estimate is several times lower than everybody else's (except of course Russian) like for example US's . Plus ~1200 Ukrainian military and volunteers whi
by trhway 5y ago
The UN estimate is several times lower than everybody else's (except of course Russian) like for example US's . Plus ~1200 Ukrainian military and volunteers which were killed for the same genocidal goal - erasing Ukraine nation. Millions displaced. Genocide isn't about numbers anyway, at least not about numbers in the less than 3 weeks. Russia kills about 150 Ukrainians per day. German Nazi were killing about 3000 Jews/day (6M in 6 years of WWII). So, how many more Ukrainians needs to be killed to satisfy your definition of genocide? Though i'd suggest you read this before commenting - https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml .
Current Russian regime is fascist according to the definition, and this is how it called everyday in Ukraine and Baltic countries.
>Neither is calling people propagandists.
Low moral peddling of pure Russian propaganda makes a person not just propagandist, it makes that person a "propagandon" - used in Russian combination of "propagandist" and an offensive for "condom". The guy has no shame with his "we could be bombing civilians more". The people like him is the base of Russian public support of that genocide, and thus they are actually willing participants in it. There is no "level of discussion" here. They are killing people right now. If anything HN should probably like the rest of the world block Russia.
>If this is the level of discussion you want r/worldnews is the place to be nowadays.
try it yourself as your post contains mostly empty incorrect charges without any factual/references/etc support.
- blub 5y agoWhat exactly is your interest in this war? The way you appeal to emotion and make everything personal, stigmatize others is just as damaging to discourse as so-called Russian trolls. This is a place for having genuine discussions. If you don’t want that… the rest of the internet is currently a Russian bash-fest. So you’re welcome to partake, but remember that those that splash around in mud get dirty. 600 civilians and 1200 soldiers killed doesn’t satisfy anybody’s definition of genocide. Especially since the average HN user doesn’t know under which conditions those deaths happened. This might yet turn into a genocide, but that seems unlikely. Finally, Russia is an authoritarian state. It is not totalitarian, although it could become so as a consequence of this war.
- trhway 5y ago>make everything personal, stigmatize others is just as damaging to discourse as so-called Russian trolls. you'd be right if it were a typical "culture war". Unfortunately a "culture war" stops being just a "culture" one and the discussion doesn't exist anymore when one side starts to actually kill people based on their ideological viewpoint they had expressed in the "culture war". Since the moment killing starts advancing the supporting viewpoint is materially supporting the killing. >600 civilians and 1200 soldiers killed doesn’t satisfy anybody’s definition of genocide. Only in Mariupol 2200 people have already been killed. Anyway, I already shown that the situation satisfies UN definition of genocide https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30678544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30678544 . As well as other people shown it too, for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30645290 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30645290 . As you insist on your personal number based definition - i'll repeat the request, just for argument sake, for you to please state the numbers required according to your definition.