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What do you mean? While strict vegetarian might not be the best it seems there are still more health implications to account for when eating meat.

oDot 5y ago
I am very much in the valley of despair on this manner, but for me individually (and food is indeed very individual), meat consumption leads to a much greater quality of life, with perceived health benefits. I went fully carnivore and it lead to various health improvements. While I moved away from it due to my foodie tendencies, I currently do consume mainly animal products. I plan on doing a vegan experiment as well, but I am just not getting convinced by the vegans I listen to, so I need to do more research. As it stands, I believe eating meat that grew naturally (e.g grass fed beef as compared factory farming) is more healthy and sustainable than veganism.
- aklemm 5y ago
  > I need to do more research Where will you publish the study?
- cinntaile 5y ago
  You were insinuating there are negative health consequences to vegetarianism without providing any scientific evidence.
  - oDot 5y ago
    I was saying that there could be negative effects, which is evidently true since I have experienced some. People should check what's good for them instead of blindly following information they got by osmosis. Especially with regards to health.
    - cinntaile 5y ago
      Yeah you said so but we still don't know what those effects are and how your food supposedly caused them. Maybe there are different explanations for why you feel better now. I do agree that this can be very individual, but that is also the danger when people talk about their experience. You won't notice the long time consequences either, by definition.
      - oDot 5y ago
        That's only a problem if I advise people will go in a certain direction (which is what the original comment did). Instead I suggested people think about their decisions.
micromacrofoot 5y ago
hundreds of millions of indians are vegetarians just fine, people who talk like this have usually read too many anti-vegetarian memes
- oDot 5y ago
  Or are just aware of the individuality of food.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    fear mongering about vegetarianism implies a distinct lack of food awareness
    - oDot 5y ago
      I forgot we all mustn't question the current narrative
      - micromacrofoot 5y ago
        Who are "we" and what is the "current narrative"? I'm afraid you'll have to elaborate, I'm a bit of a luddite. If you'd like to discuss any problems with widespread vegetarianism in India, which again, includes hundreds of millions of people, then I'm happy to continue this discussion.
- mbg721 5y ago
  To be fair, vegetarianism isn't unhealthy (or necessarily healthy--you could still eat Oreos all day), but leaping into a rapid dietary change out of fear might be. Vegetarianism works in India because there's an established tradition of cooking varied foods that meet nutritional needs and are tasty. Stereotypical American vegetarianism is 1/3 rabbit-food, 1/3 gooey cheesy pasta, and 1/3 synthetic meat-substitutes.
bloopernova 5y ago
My wife has health issues that mean many foods will cause her gastrointestinal pain or worse. Unfortunately many of the meat substitutes that vegans/vegetarians eat will hurt her.
- cinntaile 5y ago
  Your wife is not the norm and it does not give us any general info about vegetarianism being supposedly unhealthy.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    Logic check: grandparent's observation, if verified, disproves a universal claim that vegan/vegetarian is healthier. This is general information.
    - cinntaile 5y ago
      Logic check... Get off your high horse mate. Nobody is claiming that the vegan/vegetarian diet is the best diet for absolutely everybody, that would be an absurd claim. Outliers can and will exist. Eg. You have people that get health issues from eating onions, it doesn't mean that onions aren't healthy lol.
      - tomrod 5y ago
        Funny! I tried to structure my prior comment to you with the exact same "get off your high horse" content since you were aggressive in your prior comments to the grandparent commenter, but didn't want to broach site standards. We appear to have come to the same conclusion, so I'll leave it at that. Best of luck out there.
        cinntaile 5y ago
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oDot 5y ago

I am very much in the valley of despair on this manner, but for me individually (and food is indeed very individual), meat consumption leads to a much greater quality of life, with perceived health benefits. I went fully carnivore and it lead to various health improvements. While I moved away from it due to my foodie tendencies, I currently do consume mainly animal products. I plan on doing a vegan experiment as well, but I am just not getting convinced by the vegans I listen to, so I need to do more research. As it stands, I believe eating meat that grew naturally (e.g grass fed beef as compared factory farming) is more healthy and sustainable than veganism.

aklemm 5y ago
> I need to do more research Where will you publish the study?
cinntaile 5y ago
You were insinuating there are negative health consequences to vegetarianism without providing any scientific evidence.
- oDot 5y ago
  I was saying that there could be negative effects, which is evidently true since I have experienced some. People should check what's good for them instead of blindly following information they got by osmosis. Especially with regards to health.
  - cinntaile 5y ago
    Yeah you said so but we still don't know what those effects are and how your food supposedly caused them. Maybe there are different explanations for why you feel better now. I do agree that this can be very individual, but that is also the danger when people talk about their experience. You won't notice the long time consequences either, by definition.
    - oDot 5y ago
      That's only a problem if I advise people will go in a certain direction (which is what the original comment did). Instead I suggested people think about their decisions.

micromacrofoot 5y ago

hundreds of millions of indians are vegetarians just fine, people who talk like this have usually read too many anti-vegetarian memes

oDot 5y ago
Or are just aware of the individuality of food.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  fear mongering about vegetarianism implies a distinct lack of food awareness
  - oDot 5y ago
    I forgot we all mustn't question the current narrative
    - micromacrofoot 5y ago
      Who are "we" and what is the "current narrative"? I'm afraid you'll have to elaborate, I'm a bit of a luddite. If you'd like to discuss any problems with widespread vegetarianism in India, which again, includes hundreds of millions of people, then I'm happy to continue this discussion.
mbg721 5y ago
To be fair, vegetarianism isn't unhealthy (or necessarily healthy--you could still eat Oreos all day), but leaping into a rapid dietary change out of fear might be. Vegetarianism works in India because there's an established tradition of cooking varied foods that meet nutritional needs and are tasty. Stereotypical American vegetarianism is 1/3 rabbit-food, 1/3 gooey cheesy pasta, and 1/3 synthetic meat-substitutes.

bloopernova 5y ago

My wife has health issues that mean many foods will cause her gastrointestinal pain or worse. Unfortunately many of the meat substitutes that vegans/vegetarians eat will hurt her.

cinntaile 5y ago
Your wife is not the norm and it does not give us any general info about vegetarianism being supposedly unhealthy.
- tomrod 5y ago
  Logic check: grandparent's observation, if verified, disproves a universal claim that vegan/vegetarian is healthier. This is general information.
  - cinntaile 5y ago
    Logic check... Get off your high horse mate. Nobody is claiming that the vegan/vegetarian diet is the best diet for absolutely everybody, that would be an absurd claim. Outliers can and will exist. Eg. You have people that get health issues from eating onions, it doesn't mean that onions aren't healthy lol.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      Funny! I tried to structure my prior comment to you with the exact same "get off your high horse" content since you were aggressive in your prior comments to the grandparent commenter, but didn't want to broach site standards. We appear to have come to the same conclusion, so I'll leave it at that. Best of luck out there.
      - cinntaile 5y ago
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