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I really like the fact that now that RT is banned everybody read the same western articles and are attributing the whole dissent within Europe/US to Russia. Wh

I really like the fact that now that RT is banned everybody read the same western articles and are attributing the whole dissent within Europe/US to Russia. Where have you been when RT was doing that brazenly in front of your faces with full acceptance of the governments? It's quite frankly amusing that it took Russia an invasion of Ukraine for that to become illegal, while before (Brexit, etc) it was just "freedom of speech".

scrollaway 5y ago
> Where have you been I was always there, speaking out against propaganda, maybe you can check my post history. And I don't know what you're on, but "everybody read the same western articles and are attributing the whole dissent within Europe/US to Russia" is utterly wrong. HN is becoming a very scary, far too pro-Russia place since the past week or so now that the Russians have gotten a better handle on their propaganda. If you have doubts, you can look at my post's score which is hovering around zero, constantly being voted up and down. Opinion in Europe is extremely anti-Russia at this point, but I see that the US media is coming back to its old habits pitting controversy for the sake of clicks. As a result, US opinion went from overwhelmingly anti-Russia to "maybe they're not all bad I mean let's just look at what we did before oh well" in the span of a few days.
- ziml77 5y ago
  Is that what's happening to the general opinion in the US? I guess I'm in a bit of a bubble, but I don't know anyone who's decided that what Russia is doing is fine since the US has also attacked other countries.
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    Slowly happening but as far as I can see, it is the case. Very early after the 24th, the opinion was extremely pro Ukraine, but it's been slowly trending down, with a pro-Russia voice taking over. Not just "because US has done worse", but anything from "it's our fault because of NATO" to "Ukraine is supposed to be Russian anyway, he's taking back what's his". It's not the majority opinion (yet), but it's worrisome.
    - ziml77 5y ago
      I've heard people blame the US for the war which only makes sense insomuch as we're not appeasing Putin. It's not like anyone was forcing Ukraine into NATO. As far as I can tell the only reason they wanted to join was because they were afraid of Russia doing exactly what they're doing right now. I guess the idea that it's our fault spreads easily when it gives people another thing to say Biden has done wrong. As for any claim that Ukraine is Russian, if that's a thought that anyone genuinely has and not just Russian disinformation agents, then I hope they have no problem letting Europe have their American colonies back. Or turning their homes over to the American natives.

scrollaway 5y ago

> Where have you been I was always there, speaking out against propaganda, maybe you can check my post history. And I don't know what you're on, but "everybody read the same western articles and are attributing the whole dissent within Europe/US to Russia" is utterly wrong. HN is becoming a very scary, far too pro-Russia place since the past week or so now that the Russians have gotten a better handle on their propaganda. If you have doubts, you can look at my post's score which is hovering around zero, constantly being voted up and down. Opinion in Europe is extremely anti-Russia at this point, but I see that the US media is coming back to its old habits pitting controversy for the sake of clicks. As a result, US opinion went from overwhelmingly anti-Russia to "maybe they're not all bad I mean let's just look at what we did before oh well" in the span of a few days.

ziml77 5y ago
Is that what's happening to the general opinion in the US? I guess I'm in a bit of a bubble, but I don't know anyone who's decided that what Russia is doing is fine since the US has also attacked other countries.
- scrollaway 5y ago
  Slowly happening but as far as I can see, it is the case. Very early after the 24th, the opinion was extremely pro Ukraine, but it's been slowly trending down, with a pro-Russia voice taking over. Not just "because US has done worse", but anything from "it's our fault because of NATO" to "Ukraine is supposed to be Russian anyway, he's taking back what's his". It's not the majority opinion (yet), but it's worrisome.
  - ziml77 5y ago
    I've heard people blame the US for the war which only makes sense insomuch as we're not appeasing Putin. It's not like anyone was forcing Ukraine into NATO. As far as I can tell the only reason they wanted to join was because they were afraid of Russia doing exactly what they're doing right now. I guess the idea that it's our fault spreads easily when it gives people another thing to say Biden has done wrong. As for any claim that Ukraine is Russian, if that's a thought that anyone genuinely has and not just Russian disinformation agents, then I hope they have no problem letting Europe have their American colonies back. Or turning their homes over to the American natives.