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Set 'showdead:' option to 'yes' in your profile, and click apply, you will see some of the posts that the Mods have to deal with.

skilled 5y ago
What the hell... I thought it will be one or two submissions but god damn it's an absolute fiesta!!
- WalterGR 5y ago
  > god damn it's an absolute siesta!! Do you mean fiesta? Otherwise you may be suffering from narcolepsy. :)
  - skilled 5y ago
    > #5300
- News-Dog 5y ago
  Click on the posts trailing url > (some-rubbish-or-malware-site.suspect) You will see all the posters-or-bots posting. I've started collecting them, I'm thinking about how to remove some of the load on the Mods.
  - gus_massa 5y ago
    Some sites and users are banned and their post are autokilled. There is a lot of automatic moderation in HN. If you see an error, you can vouch/flag the post. And if you see a huge error, you can send an email to the mods.
  - interleave 5y ago
    I'd love to see what you're seeing but I don't fully understand what your instruction above means ("Click on the posts trailing url > (some-rubbish-or-malware-site.suspect"). Can you please clarify? Thank you so much! I set showdead to "yes" and can see [dead] submissions under https://news.ycombinator.com/newest https://news.ycombinator.com/newest btw.
    - News-Dog 5y ago
      Sorry I was unclear, [Warning this site likely hosts Malware] as an example; [dead] [SNIP] 'Keygen Free Download 2022' >> (freshcrack.best) << = https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=freshcrack.best https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=freshcrack.best
      - interleave 5y ago
        Oh, that's so cool, thank you very much for clarifying. Looking at your example in light of Jacque's overall question I would say, this operator is either paid directly or indirectly to promote the site. I don't know/can't tell if that's a long play "in order to influence the discussion" or just promote installs for compromised software. Anyone know what the usual go-to reason for this kind of submission is?
muzani 5y ago
Yeah, I don't think they're campaigns. Just your regular netizens with extremely strong opinions. As much as people expect sockpuppetry, many innocent new accounts are wrongly classified as well. It's one reason I keep showdead on.
- derekp7 5y ago
  I actually got to wondering why some dead accounts got killed, when I see acceptable to good content from them. It is only when I go back through the comment history far enough, I can sometimes see what got them pushed over the edge. But other times I don't see anything really bad, so my assumption is that some other automated heuristic kicked in (posting from low reputation IPs), or that what got them banned ended up deleted. I know you can sometimes vouch for a comment, but it would be nice to be able to click a button that gives an explanation of why an account was shadow banned (assuming that doesn't violate privacy or something).
eimrine 5y ago
I have not understood the differences between [flagged] and [dead], sorry if I don't see something obvious. But this action revealed me the secret about why HN is so nice to read. Switching the option to 'no' for not seing that hell any more.
- gus_massa 5y ago
  The difference of [flagged] and [dead] is explained in the unofficial guide of undocumented features of HN, in particular look at https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggingvouching https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggi...
  - blaser-waffle 5y ago
    Short version: Users with enough Karma can flag a post for breaking rules, being blatant propaganda, etc. Enough flags and it drops rapidly in the rankings or dies; depends on how many [flagged] hits it gets. Higher karma users can vouch for a flagged post, which is kinda like a reverse flag. [dead] means mods killed it.
    - eimrine 5y ago
      Today before setting the option to "no" I have seen at least one post being both [flagged] and [dead] among just flaggeds and just deads, thats why I asked the question. I have not read the link from previous commenter yet, and your answer still does not answers how a post can have both of sins. But if the answer is there you can not to bother noticing it for me, because I will definitely read it later, because HN's rules is so insightful source of information about community building.
      - detaro 5y ago
        Purely from observation, I don't know the actual internals: For submissions: Flagging is also a "score" internally, which also affects ranking. If it gets over a threshold, [flagged] gets shown but you can still comment and interact, if it goes over a further threshold it gets "flagkilled" and is [flagged][dead], at which point you can't comment anymore. What the threshold is depends on the other activity on the submission - if something has no/little comments or votes it'll go immediately to [flagged][dead], if there is interaction it takes more flags and the thresholds move further apart. I believe comments can end up in just [flagged] but not [dead] only if a moderator removes the [dead] flag - at least I think I've only seen it on comments a mod replied to.

skilled 5y ago

What the hell... I thought it will be one or two submissions but god damn it's an absolute fiesta!!

WalterGR 5y ago
> god damn it's an absolute siesta!! Do you mean fiesta? Otherwise you may be suffering from narcolepsy. :)
- skilled 5y ago
  > #5300
News-Dog 5y ago
Click on the posts trailing url > (some-rubbish-or-malware-site.suspect) You will see all the posters-or-bots posting. I've started collecting them, I'm thinking about how to remove some of the load on the Mods.
- gus_massa 5y ago
  Some sites and users are banned and their post are autokilled. There is a lot of automatic moderation in HN. If you see an error, you can vouch/flag the post. And if you see a huge error, you can send an email to the mods.
- interleave 5y ago
  I'd love to see what you're seeing but I don't fully understand what your instruction above means ("Click on the posts trailing url > (some-rubbish-or-malware-site.suspect"). Can you please clarify? Thank you so much! I set showdead to "yes" and can see [dead] submissions under https://news.ycombinator.com/newest https://news.ycombinator.com/newest btw.
  - News-Dog 5y ago
    Sorry I was unclear, [Warning this site likely hosts Malware] as an example; [dead] [SNIP] 'Keygen Free Download 2022' >> (freshcrack.best) << = https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=freshcrack.best https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=freshcrack.best
    - interleave 5y ago
      Oh, that's so cool, thank you very much for clarifying. Looking at your example in light of Jacque's overall question I would say, this operator is either paid directly or indirectly to promote the site. I don't know/can't tell if that's a long play "in order to influence the discussion" or just promote installs for compromised software. Anyone know what the usual go-to reason for this kind of submission is?

muzani 5y ago

Yeah, I don't think they're campaigns. Just your regular netizens with extremely strong opinions. As much as people expect sockpuppetry, many innocent new accounts are wrongly classified as well. It's one reason I keep showdead on.

derekp7 5y ago
I actually got to wondering why some dead accounts got killed, when I see acceptable to good content from them. It is only when I go back through the comment history far enough, I can sometimes see what got them pushed over the edge. But other times I don't see anything really bad, so my assumption is that some other automated heuristic kicked in (posting from low reputation IPs), or that what got them banned ended up deleted. I know you can sometimes vouch for a comment, but it would be nice to be able to click a button that gives an explanation of why an account was shadow banned (assuming that doesn't violate privacy or something).

eimrine 5y ago

I have not understood the differences between [flagged] and [dead], sorry if I don't see something obvious. But this action revealed me the secret about why HN is so nice to read. Switching the option to 'no' for not seing that hell any more.

gus_massa 5y ago
The difference of [flagged] and [dead] is explained in the unofficial guide of undocumented features of HN, in particular look at https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggingvouching https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggi...
- blaser-waffle 5y ago
  Short version: Users with enough Karma can flag a post for breaking rules, being blatant propaganda, etc. Enough flags and it drops rapidly in the rankings or dies; depends on how many [flagged] hits it gets. Higher karma users can vouch for a flagged post, which is kinda like a reverse flag. [dead] means mods killed it.
  - eimrine 5y ago
    Today before setting the option to "no" I have seen at least one post being both [flagged] and [dead] among just flaggeds and just deads, thats why I asked the question. I have not read the link from previous commenter yet, and your answer still does not answers how a post can have both of sins. But if the answer is there you can not to bother noticing it for me, because I will definitely read it later, because HN's rules is so insightful source of information about community building.
    - detaro 5y ago
      Purely from observation, I don't know the actual internals: For submissions: Flagging is also a "score" internally, which also affects ranking. If it gets over a threshold, [flagged] gets shown but you can still comment and interact, if it goes over a further threshold it gets "flagkilled" and is [flagged][dead], at which point you can't comment anymore. What the threshold is depends on the other activity on the submission - if something has no/little comments or votes it'll go immediately to [flagged][dead], if there is interaction it takes more flags and the thresholds move further apart. I believe comments can end up in just [flagged] but not [dead] only if a moderator removes the [dead] flag - at least I think I've only seen it on comments a mod replied to.