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Unfortunately there is a tremendous amount of propaganda being peddled by all actors involved in this war. This is just objective reality and the nature of war

Unfortunately there is a tremendous amount of propaganda being peddled by all actors involved in this war. This is just objective reality and the nature of war, though partisans on one side or the other want to pretend that everything "their side" states are facts while everything the "other side" states are lies. Amazingly, some of this propaganda is being openly pushed despite being debunked, by people who admit that it is false propaganda! The rationale offered is that fake stories are okay if they "increase morale" (by those who seemingly lack the capacity to understand the concept of credibility or its importance). Among unbiased observers with a grasp of the situation it is clear that Russia could be doing much more damage to Ukrainian cities, and we can only speculate as to why that is. They could be trying to save munitions, they could be doing it for public relations purposes, they could be doing it because they want relatively intact cities if they eventually succeed in taking over Ukraine, or any number of other reasons. The one thing you can be sure about, is that anyone who claims to know with certainty what is happening in the war zone, or what the "true" motivation of Russia is at the current time, can be safely disregarded as someone who is either confused or pushing an agenda.

trhway 5y ago
>Unfortunately there is a tremendous amount of propaganda being peddled by all actors involved in this war. There aren't "actors" nor "both sides" in that war. There is Russian Fascist regime which is conducting genocidal war in Ukraine to erase Ukrainian ethnic and national identity. And there is Ukrainian people fighting for their survival. The propaganda comes only from Russia, as compare to Russian propaganda (say publishing 10-20x smaller Russian losses than they really are among other obvious lies) the inconsistencies in Ukrainian information (say publishing 1.5x larger Russian losses than they really are) are just that - inconsistencies natural for a country being invaded and bombed by overwhelming military force. >This is just objective reality and the nature of war That is your reality. The reality of Russian propaganda. "We lie and they must be lying too". A reality of the people who couldn't understand how normal civilized people think and behave. >Among unbiased observers with a grasp of the situation it is clear that Russia could be doing much more damage to Ukrainian cities nice. I see that new propaganda spin getting peddled by several pro-Russian "propagandons" like you. Whole world - "You, Russians, are committing grievous war crimes by the indiscriminate bombing of civilians". And the new Russian response - "Russia could be doing much more damage to Ukrainian cities. Be grateful that it isn't", and that is a lie too as Russia seems to be running at the maximum of the available hardware.
- blub 5y ago
  A “genocidal” war with about 600 civilian casualties according to the UN. Stringing together lists of bad words like fascism, genocide is not an argument. Neither is calling people propagandists. If this is the level of discussion you want r/worldnews is the place to be nowadays.
  - trhway 5y ago
    The UN estimate is several times lower than everybody else's (except of course Russian) like for example US's . Plus ~1200 Ukrainian military and volunteers which were killed for the same genocidal goal - erasing Ukraine nation. Millions displaced. Genocide isn't about numbers anyway, at least not about numbers in the less than 3 weeks. Russia kills about 150 Ukrainians per day. German Nazi were killing about 3000 Jews/day (6M in 6 years of WWII). So, how many more Ukrainians needs to be killed to satisfy your definition of genocide? Though i'd suggest you read this before commenting - https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml . Current Russian regime is fascist according to the definition, and this is how it called everyday in Ukraine and Baltic countries. >Neither is calling people propagandists. Low moral peddling of pure Russian propaganda makes a person not just propagandist, it makes that person a "propagandon" - used in Russian combination of "propagandist" and an offensive for "condom". The guy has no shame with his "we could be bombing civilians more". The people like him is the base of Russian public support of that genocide, and thus they are actually willing participants in it. There is no "level of discussion" here. They are killing people right now. If anything HN should probably like the rest of the world block Russia. >If this is the level of discussion you want r/worldnews is the place to be nowadays. try it yourself as your post contains mostly empty incorrect charges without any factual/references/etc support.
    - blub 5y ago
      What exactly is your interest in this war? The way you appeal to emotion and make everything personal, stigmatize others is just as damaging to discourse as so-called Russian trolls. This is a place for having genuine discussions. If you don’t want that… the rest of the internet is currently a Russian bash-fest. So you’re welcome to partake, but remember that those that splash around in mud get dirty. 600 civilians and 1200 soldiers killed doesn’t satisfy anybody’s definition of genocide. Especially since the average HN user doesn’t know under which conditions those deaths happened. This might yet turn into a genocide, but that seems unlikely. Finally, Russia is an authoritarian state. It is not totalitarian, although it could become so as a consequence of this war.

trhway 5y ago

>Unfortunately there is a tremendous amount of propaganda being peddled by all actors involved in this war. There aren't "actors" nor "both sides" in that war. There is Russian Fascist regime which is conducting genocidal war in Ukraine to erase Ukrainian ethnic and national identity. And there is Ukrainian people fighting for their survival. The propaganda comes only from Russia, as compare to Russian propaganda (say publishing 10-20x smaller Russian losses than they really are among other obvious lies) the inconsistencies in Ukrainian information (say publishing 1.5x larger Russian losses than they really are) are just that - inconsistencies natural for a country being invaded and bombed by overwhelming military force. >This is just objective reality and the nature of war That is your reality. The reality of Russian propaganda. "We lie and they must be lying too". A reality of the people who couldn't understand how normal civilized people think and behave. >Among unbiased observers with a grasp of the situation it is clear that Russia could be doing much more damage to Ukrainian cities nice. I see that new propaganda spin getting peddled by several pro-Russian "propagandons" like you. Whole world - "You, Russians, are committing grievous war crimes by the indiscriminate bombing of civilians". And the new Russian response - "Russia could be doing much more damage to Ukrainian cities. Be grateful that it isn't", and that is a lie too as Russia seems to be running at the maximum of the available hardware.

blub 5y ago
A “genocidal” war with about 600 civilian casualties according to the UN. Stringing together lists of bad words like fascism, genocide is not an argument. Neither is calling people propagandists. If this is the level of discussion you want r/worldnews is the place to be nowadays.
- trhway 5y ago
  The UN estimate is several times lower than everybody else's (except of course Russian) like for example US's . Plus ~1200 Ukrainian military and volunteers which were killed for the same genocidal goal - erasing Ukraine nation. Millions displaced. Genocide isn't about numbers anyway, at least not about numbers in the less than 3 weeks. Russia kills about 150 Ukrainians per day. German Nazi were killing about 3000 Jews/day (6M in 6 years of WWII). So, how many more Ukrainians needs to be killed to satisfy your definition of genocide? Though i'd suggest you read this before commenting - https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml . Current Russian regime is fascist according to the definition, and this is how it called everyday in Ukraine and Baltic countries. >Neither is calling people propagandists. Low moral peddling of pure Russian propaganda makes a person not just propagandist, it makes that person a "propagandon" - used in Russian combination of "propagandist" and an offensive for "condom". The guy has no shame with his "we could be bombing civilians more". The people like him is the base of Russian public support of that genocide, and thus they are actually willing participants in it. There is no "level of discussion" here. They are killing people right now. If anything HN should probably like the rest of the world block Russia. >If this is the level of discussion you want r/worldnews is the place to be nowadays. try it yourself as your post contains mostly empty incorrect charges without any factual/references/etc support.
  - blub 5y ago
    What exactly is your interest in this war? The way you appeal to emotion and make everything personal, stigmatize others is just as damaging to discourse as so-called Russian trolls. This is a place for having genuine discussions. If you don’t want that… the rest of the internet is currently a Russian bash-fest. So you’re welcome to partake, but remember that those that splash around in mud get dirty. 600 civilians and 1200 soldiers killed doesn’t satisfy anybody’s definition of genocide. Especially since the average HN user doesn’t know under which conditions those deaths happened. This might yet turn into a genocide, but that seems unlikely. Finally, Russia is an authoritarian state. It is not totalitarian, although it could become so as a consequence of this war.