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Saudi Arabia Just Beheaded 81 People in One Day

46 points by chewz 5y ago

WalterGR 5y ago
113 comments yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30653350 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30653350
sschueller 5y ago
They are also bombing Yemen with the support of the United States. [1] Hospitals are bombed, cluster bombs and "chemical" weapons are used, etc. Where is the international outrage and 24/7 news coverage? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian%E2%80%93led_intervention_in_Yemen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian%E2%80%93led_inte...
- theshrike79 5y ago
  Yep and they're bombing it just because SA doesn't have an army. They do have an Air Force though. Saudi Arabia's only option is just to keep bombing Yemen, they have no ability or will to actually invade it. They just use their fancy toys to bomb them to the stone age every day.
  - frankfrankfrank 5y ago
    They don’t really have an airborne either. Reality us that the SA Air Force is little more than a cover operation for the American empire. America is paying for it and without direct American support the SA Air Force would not be able to sustain itself mere weeks before consequences started emerging. The Yemen war is an American war, only with Saudi puppets.
- belter 5y ago
  Now you know why the US is holding off on talking too much about Russian War Crimes in Ukraine...And only did so when pressed by the Press and the US Vice President usual propensity to gaffes. "...The United States is not a State Party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute),[1] which founded the International Criminal Court (ICC) in 2002 as a permanent international criminal court to "bring to justice the perpetrators of the worst crimes known to humankind – war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide", when national courts are unable or unwilling to do so.[2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_Internat...
- frankfrankfrank 5y ago
  I sympathize with your consternation about there not being any “outrage” because you are clearly understanding the hypocrisy of the “outrage” that exists about other things. I must assume based on your short statement though that you are not aware that the “outrage” is wholly astroturfed and essentially a weapon system in order to activate another weapon system called public opinion. Until one understands who, how, and why those two loops are controlled, everything else regarding public opinion space is a dead end matter. Just take the current Ukraine topic that the public has been whipped into a hate-week type frenzy about that reminds me of post-9/11 (if most here are even old enough to have first hand memories of that, or know what the hate-week references); that conflict is now at least 8 years old, when the USA and “collective west” launched a despotic coup against the country to install a friendly government, while crying out “our democracy”, followed with 8 years of atrocities against people in the eastern part of the country that no longer wanted to be a part of that and chose to vote to peacefully separate. Most people so outraged about “Ukraine” have no clue what they are supporting or doing or even that they were totally ignorant of atrocities happening for the last 8 years. They don’t even know where Yemen is, or the 5 Ws, because the TV programming has not programmed them to in order to serve the interests of the programmers of humans.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >>Most people so outraged about “Ukraine” have no clue what they are supporting or doing or even that they were totally ignorant of atrocities happening for the last 8 years. It must be nice living in US(I assume) and being able to be an armchair expert on this. Meanwhile my family is already housing several refugees in their homes and hastily getting their passports renewed in case Russia moves a little bit west. The war is real and affecting real people. But yes, please explain to us how not being familiar with the conflict in Yemen is making my outrage at conflict in Ukraine somehow ignorant. I'm listening.
    - frankfrankfrank 5y ago
      No need to be self-righteously snarky. The point you seem to have missed is that you seem to be totally unaware that the war has been "real and affecting real people" for 8 years now when the USA and it's western CIA lackeys completed their orchestrated "color revolution" to depose and install a puppet regime in the Ukraine that then started murdering people in the eastern provinces of ethnically Russian people who decided they don't want to be part of a western vassal state that hates them, abuses them, and discriminates against them. The point being is that people are hypocritical, usually out of ignorance of what is really going on in the world outside of what the programming on the tele-screen has conditioned them to hate during hate week. (In case you did not catch it; those odd terms were references to themes of the shockingly prophetic seeming Orwell novel 1984.)
- sdfgdf 5y ago
usednet 5y ago
So glad that hundreds of billions of American arms and tax dollars are going towards this lovely, progressive country. I once had the opportunity of talking with one of Boeing’s PR directors. When I asked him about their missile sales to Saudi Arabia, which has killed hundreds of children with them, he essentially told me that Boeing had 0 responsibility for what the end user did with their products and that they would sell them to whoever could pay as long as the US government didn’t care.
- sdfgdf 5y ago
- Dracophoenix 5y ago
  The PR director isn't wrong. Inspite of its own issues, Boeing doesn't set the agenda for US foreign policy.
  - drewcoo 5y ago
    Ethics isn't just some kind of transitive property.
    - verdverm 5y ago
      Corporations have long been used as a shield for individual ethics
  - ASalazarMX 5y ago
    Yet he knows what the agenda currently is. It would be an incredibly incompetent director if he had no idea where their weapons will end.
TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
Why are people still being beheaded as a form of capital punishment in 2022? Aren’t there other forms with more dignity?
- Symbiote 5y ago
  Why are people still being killed as a punishment?
  - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
    A good question that seems to have its roots in the distant past, just like beheading.
- gambiting 5y ago
  Tbf beheading sounds far more preferable to some methods used elsewhere(like lethal injection). Not that I support either.
  - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
    Are you aware that a person is alive for up to 15 seconds after beheading? There was a Stuff You Should Know podcast episode about that.
    - gambiting 5y ago
      I'd absolutely take that 15 seconds of fading conciousness over minutes of dying from chemicals(or like in case of some botched executions - hours of executioners trying to find a right vein). It's really hard to botch up a beheading.
- drewcoo 5y ago
  I know it's macabre, but there is a certain literal sense in that.
- int_19h 5y ago
  We're talking about a country that criminalizes sorcery and witchcraft - the punishment is death, as it happens, and they do enforce those laws (last such execution was in 2012, IIRC).
thenoblesunfish 5y ago
I think the title should change here to a more neutral wording and to better reflect the content of what's on the linked site. (Maybe a link to a news story about this would be a better choice, as it could offer context that this Saudi government site isn't providing): This site doesn't say that the executions were carried out in one day This site doesn't say anything about beheading The word "just" is becoming something like all caps in headlines and I'd assume it isn't in the spirit of HN to use it in a headline not taken directly from an article.
james-redwood 5y ago
> These individuals, totaling 81, were convicted of various crimes including murdering innocent men, women and children. Crimes committed by these individuals also include pledging allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, and the Houthis, targeting residents in the Kingdom and traveling to regional conflict zones to join terrorist organizations. They also include convictions for targeting government personnel and vital economic sites, the killing of law enforcement officers and maiming their bodies, and planting land mines to target police vehicles. Moreover, the convictions include crimes of kidnapping, torture, rape, smuggling arms and bombs into the Kingdom. A little bit of a baity headline
- caffeine 5y ago
  Why? Seems perfectly accurate, purely factual.
- adonese 5y ago
  That if you trust Saudis official media. In all cases, Saudi will have to share a report that dehumanizes the murdered ppl. You cannot just kill without citing reasons as to why. For the western media, they include words such as ALqaida and ISIS. Needless to say, they don't have to provide any rationale for their Saudis citizens, since they ultimately have the god power and the monarchy. A friend of mine, went to Saudi for a job. He was let go just because he tweeted stuff that criticizes the Saudi government and their involvement in our country. And he was lucky he was detained!
  - fmajid 5y ago
    Their definition of "terrorism" includes Abdulkarim al-Hawaj, who was 16 year old and sent texts about about a peaceful protest for the Shia minority. He was tortured and beheaded for this. Calling Saudi Arabia medieval is a grave insult to the Dark Ages.
    - int_19h 5y ago
      Their definition of "terrorism" includes "calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based".
ghovmand 5y ago
Saudi Arabia Just Beheaded 81 HUMANS in One Day
Shadonototra 5y ago
Here is the plan: https://i.imgur.com/rGMYWRq.png https://i.imgur.com/rGMYWRq.png I suggest everyone to read all the religious books, they give good insights on the current geopolitical issues It's interesting how things are starting to diverge between US's church and Israel, i wonder if they'll stay allies in the near future Maybe that explain why Israel is trying to ease things with Putin, because they don't mind that much what they are doing in Syria I wish Hackernews would stick to tech/science stuff, politics/religion only seeks for that kind of comments, nobody is ready to hear/debate about that kind of stuff, they'll censor right away
lowmagnet 5y ago
"Saudi Arabia Executed 81 People in One Day" is a more accurate title. It sucks that they use capital punishment this freely, but death is death, and the method of execution is used here to not at "barbarism" instead of getting that the bigger issue that SA doesn't care about rehabilitation for any offender.
Overtonwindow 5y ago
Sadly this is one of those instances where most Americans really don’t care, and the government will do everything I can to ignore it, so long as Saudi Arabia is supplying us with oil.

46 points by chewz 5y ago

113 comments yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30653350 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30653350

They are also bombing Yemen with the support of the United States. [1] Hospitals are bombed, cluster bombs and "chemical" weapons are used, etc. Where is the international outrage and 24/7 news coverage? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian%E2%80%93led_intervention_in_Yemen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian%E2%80%93led_inte...

theshrike79 5y ago
Yep and they're bombing it just because SA doesn't have an army. They do have an Air Force though. Saudi Arabia's only option is just to keep bombing Yemen, they have no ability or will to actually invade it. They just use their fancy toys to bomb them to the stone age every day.
- frankfrankfrank 5y ago
  They don’t really have an airborne either. Reality us that the SA Air Force is little more than a cover operation for the American empire. America is paying for it and without direct American support the SA Air Force would not be able to sustain itself mere weeks before consequences started emerging. The Yemen war is an American war, only with Saudi puppets.
belter 5y ago
Now you know why the US is holding off on talking too much about Russian War Crimes in Ukraine...And only did so when pressed by the Press and the US Vice President usual propensity to gaffes. "...The United States is not a State Party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute),[1] which founded the International Criminal Court (ICC) in 2002 as a permanent international criminal court to "bring to justice the perpetrators of the worst crimes known to humankind – war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide", when national courts are unable or unwilling to do so.[2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_Internat...
frankfrankfrank 5y ago
I sympathize with your consternation about there not being any “outrage” because you are clearly understanding the hypocrisy of the “outrage” that exists about other things. I must assume based on your short statement though that you are not aware that the “outrage” is wholly astroturfed and essentially a weapon system in order to activate another weapon system called public opinion. Until one understands who, how, and why those two loops are controlled, everything else regarding public opinion space is a dead end matter. Just take the current Ukraine topic that the public has been whipped into a hate-week type frenzy about that reminds me of post-9/11 (if most here are even old enough to have first hand memories of that, or know what the hate-week references); that conflict is now at least 8 years old, when the USA and “collective west” launched a despotic coup against the country to install a friendly government, while crying out “our democracy”, followed with 8 years of atrocities against people in the eastern part of the country that no longer wanted to be a part of that and chose to vote to peacefully separate. Most people so outraged about “Ukraine” have no clue what they are supporting or doing or even that they were totally ignorant of atrocities happening for the last 8 years. They don’t even know where Yemen is, or the 5 Ws, because the TV programming has not programmed them to in order to serve the interests of the programmers of humans.
- gambiting 5y ago
  >>Most people so outraged about “Ukraine” have no clue what they are supporting or doing or even that they were totally ignorant of atrocities happening for the last 8 years. It must be nice living in US(I assume) and being able to be an armchair expert on this. Meanwhile my family is already housing several refugees in their homes and hastily getting their passports renewed in case Russia moves a little bit west. The war is real and affecting real people. But yes, please explain to us how not being familiar with the conflict in Yemen is making my outrage at conflict in Ukraine somehow ignorant. I'm listening.
  - frankfrankfrank 5y ago
    No need to be self-righteously snarky. The point you seem to have missed is that you seem to be totally unaware that the war has been "real and affecting real people" for 8 years now when the USA and it's western CIA lackeys completed their orchestrated "color revolution" to depose and install a puppet regime in the Ukraine that then started murdering people in the eastern provinces of ethnically Russian people who decided they don't want to be part of a western vassal state that hates them, abuses them, and discriminates against them. The point being is that people are hypocritical, usually out of ignorance of what is really going on in the world outside of what the programming on the tele-screen has conditioned them to hate during hate week. (In case you did not catch it; those odd terms were references to themes of the shockingly prophetic seeming Orwell novel 1984.)
sdfgdf 5y ago

usednet 5y ago

So glad that hundreds of billions of American arms and tax dollars are going towards this lovely, progressive country. I once had the opportunity of talking with one of Boeing’s PR directors. When I asked him about their missile sales to Saudi Arabia, which has killed hundreds of children with them, he essentially told me that Boeing had 0 responsibility for what the end user did with their products and that they would sell them to whoever could pay as long as the US government didn’t care.

sdfgdf 5y ago
Dracophoenix 5y ago
The PR director isn't wrong. Inspite of its own issues, Boeing doesn't set the agenda for US foreign policy.
- drewcoo 5y ago
  Ethics isn't just some kind of transitive property.
  - verdverm 5y ago
    Corporations have long been used as a shield for individual ethics
- ASalazarMX 5y ago
  Yet he knows what the agenda currently is. It would be an incredibly incompetent director if he had no idea where their weapons will end.

TedDoesntTalk 5y ago

Why are people still being beheaded as a form of capital punishment in 2022? Aren’t there other forms with more dignity?

Symbiote 5y ago
Why are people still being killed as a punishment?
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  A good question that seems to have its roots in the distant past, just like beheading.
gambiting 5y ago
Tbf beheading sounds far more preferable to some methods used elsewhere(like lethal injection). Not that I support either.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  Are you aware that a person is alive for up to 15 seconds after beheading? There was a Stuff You Should Know podcast episode about that.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    I'd absolutely take that 15 seconds of fading conciousness over minutes of dying from chemicals(or like in case of some botched executions - hours of executioners trying to find a right vein). It's really hard to botch up a beheading.
drewcoo 5y ago
I know it's macabre, but there is a certain literal sense in that.
int_19h 5y ago
We're talking about a country that criminalizes sorcery and witchcraft - the punishment is death, as it happens, and they do enforce those laws (last such execution was in 2012, IIRC).

thenoblesunfish 5y ago

I think the title should change here to a more neutral wording and to better reflect the content of what's on the linked site. (Maybe a link to a news story about this would be a better choice, as it could offer context that this Saudi government site isn't providing): This site doesn't say that the executions were carried out in one day This site doesn't say anything about beheading The word "just" is becoming something like all caps in headlines and I'd assume it isn't in the spirit of HN to use it in a headline not taken directly from an article.

james-redwood 5y ago

> These individuals, totaling 81, were convicted of various crimes including murdering innocent men, women and children. Crimes committed by these individuals also include pledging allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, and the Houthis, targeting residents in the Kingdom and traveling to regional conflict zones to join terrorist organizations. They also include convictions for targeting government personnel and vital economic sites, the killing of law enforcement officers and maiming their bodies, and planting land mines to target police vehicles. Moreover, the convictions include crimes of kidnapping, torture, rape, smuggling arms and bombs into the Kingdom. A little bit of a baity headline

caffeine 5y ago
Why? Seems perfectly accurate, purely factual.
adonese 5y ago
That if you trust Saudis official media. In all cases, Saudi will have to share a report that dehumanizes the murdered ppl. You cannot just kill without citing reasons as to why. For the western media, they include words such as ALqaida and ISIS. Needless to say, they don't have to provide any rationale for their Saudis citizens, since they ultimately have the god power and the monarchy. A friend of mine, went to Saudi for a job. He was let go just because he tweeted stuff that criticizes the Saudi government and their involvement in our country. And he was lucky he was detained!
- fmajid 5y ago
  Their definition of "terrorism" includes Abdulkarim al-Hawaj, who was 16 year old and sent texts about about a peaceful protest for the Shia minority. He was tortured and beheaded for this. Calling Saudi Arabia medieval is a grave insult to the Dark Ages.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    Their definition of "terrorism" includes "calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based".

ghovmand 5y ago

Saudi Arabia Just Beheaded 81 HUMANS in One Day

Shadonototra 5y ago

Here is the plan: https://i.imgur.com/rGMYWRq.png https://i.imgur.com/rGMYWRq.png I suggest everyone to read all the religious books, they give good insights on the current geopolitical issues It's interesting how things are starting to diverge between US's church and Israel, i wonder if they'll stay allies in the near future Maybe that explain why Israel is trying to ease things with Putin, because they don't mind that much what they are doing in Syria I wish Hackernews would stick to tech/science stuff, politics/religion only seeks for that kind of comments, nobody is ready to hear/debate about that kind of stuff, they'll censor right away

lowmagnet 5y ago

"Saudi Arabia Executed 81 People in One Day" is a more accurate title. It sucks that they use capital punishment this freely, but death is death, and the method of execution is used here to not at "barbarism" instead of getting that the bigger issue that SA doesn't care about rehabilitation for any offender.

Overtonwindow 5y ago

Sadly this is one of those instances where most Americans really don’t care, and the government will do everything I can to ignore it, so long as Saudi Arabia is supplying us with oil.