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You seem to be under the impression that permissively licensed software is unable to be sold, nor developers financially compensated. This is not the case. The

You seem to be under the impression that permissively licensed software is unable to be sold, nor developers financially compensated. This is not the case. There are plenty of successful software companies whose offerings are not proprietary, yet manage to pay their developers well. Example products: - MongoDB - Red Hat - Docker - Elastic Search - Vagrant

makeitdouble 5y ago
I don't know for MongoDB and Vagrant, but Docker and Elastic Search seem to me to be painted into a corner because of the non proprietary part of their business. Seeing them succeed up to that point is already an incredible feat, and perhaps they will find a way to turn around with a bright future ahead, but at this point I wouldn't give them as clear examples of success of the business model. Red Hat is IBM, so I'm not sure it fits in the list.
josephcsible 5y ago
I agree with your point, but you picked stunningly bad examples. MongoDB and ElasticSearch are both fauxpen source, and Vagrant and Docker are both open core. The only one on your list that's really open source is Red Hat. Better examples would be Nextcloud and Grafana.
- margalabargala 5y ago
  I agree the SSPL means Mongo and Elastic are not free software, but they are open source, and I would not consider them proprietary.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    The SSPL is not open source: https://opensource.org/node/1099 https://opensource.org/node/1099
    - margalabargala 5y ago
      You're right, sorry, I should have said source available.
langsoul-com 5y ago
Mongodb, Docker and elastic search are not good examples. Their software was ripped and resold by a billion dollar corps and they could do nothing about it.
- ThatPlayer 5y ago
  I think MongoDB and Elasticsearch should be examples of the opposite if anything. They tried to do the whole FOSS thing, but now both use "Server Side Public License", which is generally regarded as source-available, but not open source because of its restrictions. https://opensource.org/node/1099 https://opensource.org/node/1099
- chockchocschoir 5y ago
  > Their software was ripped and resold by a billion dollar corps and they could do nothing about it. Yet, they still are able to employ people and give them a fair wage, making them good examples.
- margalabargala 5y ago
  They pay their employees well, though- the parent I replied to was implying one could not be paid well while writing software which is given away "for free". This is clearly not the case.

makeitdouble 5y ago

I don't know for MongoDB and Vagrant, but Docker and Elastic Search seem to me to be painted into a corner because of the non proprietary part of their business. Seeing them succeed up to that point is already an incredible feat, and perhaps they will find a way to turn around with a bright future ahead, but at this point I wouldn't give them as clear examples of success of the business model. Red Hat is IBM, so I'm not sure it fits in the list.

josephcsible 5y ago

I agree with your point, but you picked stunningly bad examples. MongoDB and ElasticSearch are both fauxpen source, and Vagrant and Docker are both open core. The only one on your list that's really open source is Red Hat. Better examples would be Nextcloud and Grafana.

margalabargala 5y ago
I agree the SSPL means Mongo and Elastic are not free software, but they are open source, and I would not consider them proprietary.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  The SSPL is not open source: https://opensource.org/node/1099 https://opensource.org/node/1099
  - margalabargala 5y ago
    You're right, sorry, I should have said source available.

langsoul-com 5y ago

Mongodb, Docker and elastic search are not good examples. Their software was ripped and resold by a billion dollar corps and they could do nothing about it.

ThatPlayer 5y ago
I think MongoDB and Elasticsearch should be examples of the opposite if anything. They tried to do the whole FOSS thing, but now both use "Server Side Public License", which is generally regarded as source-available, but not open source because of its restrictions. https://opensource.org/node/1099 https://opensource.org/node/1099
chockchocschoir 5y ago
> Their software was ripped and resold by a billion dollar corps and they could do nothing about it. Yet, they still are able to employ people and give them a fair wage, making them good examples.
margalabargala 5y ago
They pay their employees well, though- the parent I replied to was implying one could not be paid well while writing software which is given away "for free". This is clearly not the case.