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Good job reporting on this. Now the question is whether the voters will care at the ballot box. We shouldn’t go after the person who fell for the scam - they’r

Good job reporting on this. Now the question is whether the voters will care at the ballot box. We shouldn’t go after the person who fell for the scam - they’re just doing their job the best they can. Or even the person who should have disclosed. We have to all the way up to an elected official that needs to be held accountable, whether they knew about it or not.

MrZander 5y ago
Well, the previous mayor already lost the last election, and the new one disclosed it upon taking office.
- mdavis6890 5y ago
  Well there you go! :-)
nelsondev 5y ago
Why shouldn’t there be accountability of the person who failed to disclose?
- thfuran 5y ago
  You know, like how when an employee embezzles from a company you fire the CEO? It's just common sense. Punishing wrongdoing instead of ritually sacrificing a figurehead is just so barbaric.
- brnt 5y ago
  As soon as you focus on the who and not the how, you incentivice people to cover their asses. Look up the root cause analysis culture in aviation for an effective method.
  - nelsondev 5y ago
    You can focus on both the “how” and the “who”. I work in an engineering organization where when something sufficiently complicated goes wrong, we do a proper root cause analysis, ask 5 Why’s, propose process improvements, etc. But sometimes, people just screw up, and preventing every unique screw up, would mean the creation of an absurd amount of process. For example, one time, excited by the performance results of a colleague, I tried to immediately apply his performance optimization in a different context serving production traffic; we had a team culture of don’t test in prod, etc; but my hubris/excitement meant I powered ahead, which ended up driving up latency, failing requests, and causing a small outage. The solution in this case isn’t to invent a new process to prevent my mistake, but rather to make sure the engineer knows they screwed up. A bit of shame/guilt leads to self improvement. If you focus solely on process, and avoid personal responsibility, you may end up missing opportunities for personal growth.
thebigman433 5y ago
> Or even the person who should have disclosed. We have to all the way up to an elected official that needs to be held accountable, whether they knew about it or not. How does this really make sense? The biggest wrong here is that it wasnt disclosed in my opinion. It sounds like it was the mayor's wrong there, but I dont see how you would "go all the way up to an elected official.. whether they knew about it or not". That part doesnt really make any sense to me
tehwebguy 5y ago
Yeah the dollar amount is pretty much meaningless, it’s like the cost of employing 4 cops in a city that has 850. But the failure to disclose is a pretty big problem.

MrZander 5y ago

Well, the previous mayor already lost the last election, and the new one disclosed it upon taking office.

mdavis6890 5y ago
Well there you go! :-)

nelsondev 5y ago

Why shouldn’t there be accountability of the person who failed to disclose?

thfuran 5y ago
You know, like how when an employee embezzles from a company you fire the CEO? It's just common sense. Punishing wrongdoing instead of ritually sacrificing a figurehead is just so barbaric.
brnt 5y ago
As soon as you focus on the who and not the how, you incentivice people to cover their asses. Look up the root cause analysis culture in aviation for an effective method.
- nelsondev 5y ago
  You can focus on both the “how” and the “who”. I work in an engineering organization where when something sufficiently complicated goes wrong, we do a proper root cause analysis, ask 5 Why’s, propose process improvements, etc. But sometimes, people just screw up, and preventing every unique screw up, would mean the creation of an absurd amount of process. For example, one time, excited by the performance results of a colleague, I tried to immediately apply his performance optimization in a different context serving production traffic; we had a team culture of don’t test in prod, etc; but my hubris/excitement meant I powered ahead, which ended up driving up latency, failing requests, and causing a small outage. The solution in this case isn’t to invent a new process to prevent my mistake, but rather to make sure the engineer knows they screwed up. A bit of shame/guilt leads to self improvement. If you focus solely on process, and avoid personal responsibility, you may end up missing opportunities for personal growth.

thebigman433 5y ago

> Or even the person who should have disclosed. We have to all the way up to an elected official that needs to be held accountable, whether they knew about it or not. How does this really make sense? The biggest wrong here is that it wasnt disclosed in my opinion. It sounds like it was the mayor's wrong there, but I dont see how you would "go all the way up to an elected official.. whether they knew about it or not". That part doesnt really make any sense to me

tehwebguy 5y ago

Yeah the dollar amount is pretty much meaningless, it’s like the cost of employing 4 cops in a city that has 850. But the failure to disclose is a pretty big problem.