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I just hope in decades to come I don't see this headline "Turns out Li ion batteries are worst than fossil fuels for future of Earth" Pretty sure over a centu

I just hope in decades to come I don't see this headline "Turns out Li ion batteries are worst than fossil fuels for future of Earth" Pretty sure over a century ago nobody thought that these Fossil fuels are going to screw the Earth so bad. Our civilization has come so far but we do have stupid tendency to abuse natural resources and let future generations deal with consequences.

willis936 5y ago
>Pretty sure over a century ago nobody thought that these Fossil fuels are going to screw the Earth so bad. They did. https://qz.com/817354/scientists-have-been-forecasting-that-burning-fossil-fuels-will-cause-climate-change-as-early-as-1882/amp/ https://qz.com/817354/scientists-have-been-forecasting-that-...
- anthropodie 5y ago
  Sure scientists do. But we the collective fails to adapt
fkarg 5y ago
two thoughts: - there's people trying to make this case currently - when we scaled fossil fuels, terraforming was pure science fiction only, not something anyone realistically expected. it only started to become visible some 50 years later. I don't think we'll make the same mistakes, but there'll always be new and more expensive mistakes to make.
- iseanstevens 5y ago
  Lithium iron phosphate (LiFePo4) is significantly safer in this aspect.
  - axiolite 5y ago
    As are NiMH batteries.
rootusrootus 5y ago
Would the alternative be to go back to fossil fuels? That seems to be the implication of like 9/10 anti-lithium battery comments I see.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  Synthetic fuels could be a reasonable alternative. They could be carbon neutral.
- anthropodie 5y ago
  I am not anti-battery lol. I am just saying we need to do thorough analysis of what we use before it screws us.
- seanhandley 5y ago
  One day maybe wireless power.
Nasrudith 5y ago
That is a complete nonsequitor- batteries catch fire and are therefore worse than fossil fuels? It doesn't make any sense even in worst cases like "elements of batteries somehow spread across the atmosphere like nuclear fallout". Leaded gasoline already did far worse than even large amounts of trace elements dissipated.
doctor_eval 5y ago
Oil catches fire too, you know.
jotm 5y ago
I mean, we need portable energy storage. Could definitely use better filtering for fossil fuel exhaust.

willis936 5y ago

>Pretty sure over a century ago nobody thought that these Fossil fuels are going to screw the Earth so bad. They did. https://qz.com/817354/scientists-have-been-forecasting-that-burning-fossil-fuels-will-cause-climate-change-as-early-as-1882/amp/ https://qz.com/817354/scientists-have-been-forecasting-that-...

anthropodie 5y ago
Sure scientists do. But we the collective fails to adapt

fkarg 5y ago

two thoughts: - there's people trying to make this case currently - when we scaled fossil fuels, terraforming was pure science fiction only, not something anyone realistically expected. it only started to become visible some 50 years later. I don't think we'll make the same mistakes, but there'll always be new and more expensive mistakes to make.

iseanstevens 5y ago
Lithium iron phosphate (LiFePo4) is significantly safer in this aspect.
- axiolite 5y ago
  As are NiMH batteries.

rootusrootus 5y ago

Would the alternative be to go back to fossil fuels? That seems to be the implication of like 9/10 anti-lithium battery comments I see.

throwawayboise 5y ago
Synthetic fuels could be a reasonable alternative. They could be carbon neutral.
anthropodie 5y ago
I am not anti-battery lol. I am just saying we need to do thorough analysis of what we use before it screws us.
seanhandley 5y ago
One day maybe wireless power.

Nasrudith 5y ago

That is a complete nonsequitor- batteries catch fire and are therefore worse than fossil fuels? It doesn't make any sense even in worst cases like "elements of batteries somehow spread across the atmosphere like nuclear fallout". Leaded gasoline already did far worse than even large amounts of trace elements dissipated.

doctor_eval 5y ago

Oil catches fire too, you know.

jotm 5y ago

I mean, we need portable energy storage. Could definitely use better filtering for fossil fuel exhaust.