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Differences beyond 2x are still a clear indication that official replacement parts are a scam. Also, the costs were not so absurdly high 20, 40 or 60 years ago

Differences beyond 2x are still a clear indication that official replacement parts are a scam. Also, the costs were not so absurdly high 20, 40 or 60 years ago!

pc86 5y ago
Making a profit, even a large one, is not in and of itself a scam.
- goodpoint 5y ago
  Nice strawman there.
  - pc86 5y ago
    > Differences beyond 2x are still a clear indication that official replacement parts are a scam. How are you not saying that they're making too much money and it's therefore "a clear indication" that it's a scam? I'd love to be told why I'm wrong rather than just "hurr durr strawman"
    - goodpoint 5y ago
      Read my message again and read your reply again then. Selling replacement parts with an unreasonable markup is a form of bait and switch: the customer buys the product thinking that it will have a given TCO over its lifetime. Only after some time the customer learns that the TCO is much higher when a replacement is needed. You twisted my words by claiming that making a profit is not a scam.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  AFAICS making a profit without providing an equitably commensurate value in return, as consideration for the payment the profit comes from, is the very definition of a scam.
  - pc86 5y ago
    Trying to make the math easy, if official parts cost $80 to produce due to licensing or whatever, and are sold for $100, is it necessarily a scam if you can produce functionally similar parts without the licensing concerns for, say, $10, but charge $90 for them? Huge profit margin, but you're able to produce much more cheaply than a competitor. Some would say you earned that margin, and in a fair and open market if someone else can also produce them for $10 you'll see prices start falling quickly. If they can't, I don't see how it's a "scam" for you to make money in that scenario.
    - goodpoint 5y ago
      > fair and open market Again the same strawman. There is nothing "fair and open" in price gauging replacement parts in a market where buyers cannot compare quality, reliability, durability and TCO across products, replacement parts, repair services and guarantees.

Differences beyond 2x are still a clear indication that official replacement parts are a scam. Also, the costs were not so absurdly high 20, 40 or 60 years ago!

pc86 5y ago

Making a profit, even a large one, is not in and of itself a scam.

goodpoint 5y ago
Nice strawman there.
- pc86 5y ago
  > Differences beyond 2x are still a clear indication that official replacement parts are a scam. How are you not saying that they're making too much money and it's therefore "a clear indication" that it's a scam? I'd love to be told why I'm wrong rather than just "hurr durr strawman"
  - goodpoint 5y ago
    Read my message again and read your reply again then. Selling replacement parts with an unreasonable markup is a form of bait and switch: the customer buys the product thinking that it will have a given TCO over its lifetime. Only after some time the customer learns that the TCO is much higher when a replacement is needed. You twisted my words by claiming that making a profit is not a scam.
CRConrad 5y ago
AFAICS making a profit without providing an equitably commensurate value in return, as consideration for the payment the profit comes from, is the very definition of a scam.
- pc86 5y ago
  Trying to make the math easy, if official parts cost $80 to produce due to licensing or whatever, and are sold for $100, is it necessarily a scam if you can produce functionally similar parts without the licensing concerns for, say, $10, but charge $90 for them? Huge profit margin, but you're able to produce much more cheaply than a competitor. Some would say you earned that margin, and in a fair and open market if someone else can also produce them for $10 you'll see prices start falling quickly. If they can't, I don't see how it's a "scam" for you to make money in that scenario.
  - goodpoint 5y ago
    > fair and open market Again the same strawman. There is nothing "fair and open" in price gauging replacement parts in a market where buyers cannot compare quality, reliability, durability and TCO across products, replacement parts, repair services and guarantees.