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> I really don't understand the militancy of both sides. Nor I, with the complete ridiculousness of "hybrid". And I support climate justice. Commutes to go to

> I really don't understand the militancy of both sides. Nor I, with the complete ridiculousness of "hybrid". And I support climate justice. Commutes to go to a workplace where someone is hacking coughing, and I'm still doing Teams meetings is fucking ridiculous. Never again. > A lot of programmers love remote because they enjoy the isolation to do work. Others do not, be that because they need to talk to people, or because the home situation sucks donkey balls. Standard introvert/extrovert justifications. People need to learn how to partition these things to create a hard delineation between work and not-work. Most whom I know who hate remotework don't have these essential skills. > I suspect the venom is because people are assuming that its a binary situation, you're either a remote company or not. They worry that their remote will be taken from them. I don't think removing the remote option is wise or healthy. It is binary. Either you're a remote-first org, in which where your butt's geographical location doesn't matter, or it does. If you're remote, there's a LOT of positives including: uses no gas to get to work, less wear and tear on vehicle, climate benefits on massive scale, easily eat from home with food amenable to us, have access to niceties here at the house, pets, multitask with stuff like laundry (3 minutes activity with 1h waittimes), and I'm compensated the moment I log in versus commute. WfW is bad because all the above aren't true. The major justifications I'm seeing with this revolves around business rents, middle-manager surveillance capitalism, and appearance of work vs work really done. Hybrid it's worse than WfH or WfW. Now, most of the above are true, but in work's location, you're now having to also act remote. > The other point to think about is this: remote work is brill if you are enjoying it, but it licks massive donkeyballs if you don't. Having that dread of the workplace seep into where you are living is deeply bad for your mental health. That's the first real big change with remotework. YOU MUST SET HARD GATED THINGS BETWEEN WORK AND NOT-WORK. Me? I set my work laptops out at 8:55a and log in at 9a. I pack up my work laptops in their respective bags at 5p. I'll even do a short walk before and after shift as a "commute" and exercise. And sometimes, I'll even change clothes. The hard line is what's absolutely needed to partition work from not-work.

WheatM 5y ago
God this is such an insufferable post from someone who simply refuses to believe that they can be wrong.
KaiserPro 5y ago
> If you're remote, there's a LOT of positives including: uses no gas to get to work, less wear and tear on vehicle, climate benefits on massive scale, easily eat from home with food amenable to us, have access to niceties here at the house, pets, multitask with stuff like laundry (3 minutes activity with 1h waittimes), and I'm compensated the moment I log in versus commute. Yes, if you live in a nice place with nice amenities. When you are starting out you're either stuck in your parent's house, or a shitty house share. (yes yes, if everyone is remote pricing changes. But it won't sort out inequity, if you're poor, your housing is going to be shit. ) > Hybrid it's worse than WfH or WfW. Now, most of the above are true, but in work's location, you're now having to also act remote. I don't understand this. surly full time office is the worst? There is no flexibility, You have to optimise for the commute. > YOU MUST SET HARD GATED THINGS BETWEEN WORK AND NOT-WORK. Oh I'm a sysadmin, I did this already. If I'm not on call you're shit out of luck. However thats not my point. When you are bullied, or have to accept cunts into your VC, or the work is just plain awful, you associate that feeling with your surroundings. It taints your living area. It leaves an emotional stain that's really hard to remove. Now with an office, you just YOLO to a new place (in know I know, its not always possible). a complete change of scene, no bad memories. At home its a lot harder. To conclude: I am not arguing for exclusivity, I think its possible to accommodate fully remote workers, I've had at least one remote worker on my team (or a remote team) for the last ten years. Its never been an issue (apart from fixing hardware errors.) With decent planning tools and decent comms its perfectly possible to help people thrive remotely or onsite.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > Yes, if you live in a nice place with nice amenities. When you are starting out you're either stuck in your parent's house, or a shitty house share. (yes yes, if everyone is remote pricing changes. But it won't sort out inequity, if you're poor, your housing is going to be shit. ) Fresh out of college hires belong in the office. After a year or two it depends.

WheatM 5y ago

God this is such an insufferable post from someone who simply refuses to believe that they can be wrong.

KaiserPro 5y ago

> If you're remote, there's a LOT of positives including: uses no gas to get to work, less wear and tear on vehicle, climate benefits on massive scale, easily eat from home with food amenable to us, have access to niceties here at the house, pets, multitask with stuff like laundry (3 minutes activity with 1h waittimes), and I'm compensated the moment I log in versus commute. Yes, if you live in a nice place with nice amenities. When you are starting out you're either stuck in your parent's house, or a shitty house share. (yes yes, if everyone is remote pricing changes. But it won't sort out inequity, if you're poor, your housing is going to be shit. ) > Hybrid it's worse than WfH or WfW. Now, most of the above are true, but in work's location, you're now having to also act remote. I don't understand this. surly full time office is the worst? There is no flexibility, You have to optimise for the commute. > YOU MUST SET HARD GATED THINGS BETWEEN WORK AND NOT-WORK. Oh I'm a sysadmin, I did this already. If I'm not on call you're shit out of luck. However thats not my point. When you are bullied, or have to accept cunts into your VC, or the work is just plain awful, you associate that feeling with your surroundings. It taints your living area. It leaves an emotional stain that's really hard to remove. Now with an office, you just YOLO to a new place (in know I know, its not always possible). a complete change of scene, no bad memories. At home its a lot harder. To conclude: I am not arguing for exclusivity, I think its possible to accommodate fully remote workers, I've had at least one remote worker on my team (or a remote team) for the last ten years. Its never been an issue (apart from fixing hardware errors.) With decent planning tools and decent comms its perfectly possible to help people thrive remotely or onsite.

908B64B197 5y ago
> Yes, if you live in a nice place with nice amenities. When you are starting out you're either stuck in your parent's house, or a shitty house share. (yes yes, if everyone is remote pricing changes. But it won't sort out inequity, if you're poor, your housing is going to be shit. ) Fresh out of college hires belong in the office. After a year or two it depends.