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ddevault is an extremely talented developer. this looks like a cool project. like many of his projects there's a weird undercurrent of hostility towards the gre

by arittr 5y ago

ddevault is an extremely talented developer. this looks like a cool project. like many of his projects there's a weird undercurrent of hostility towards the greater developer community (e.g. `--my-next-gpu-will-not-be-nvidia`). i never understood the need for that, and it's a hard stop for me when choosing tooling.

eterps 5y ago
I could easily mistake that flag for being humorous or tongue-in-cheek instead of hostile.
- oceliker 5y ago
  Not if you read the author’s blog posts (or just the URL) about it https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html
  - hackernewds 5y ago
    This makes it pretty clear. Thanks for clarifying
  - hackernewds 5y ago
    > When people complain to me about the lack of Nvidia support in Sway, I get really pissed off. It is not my fucking problem to support Nvidia, it’s Nvidia’s fucking problem to support me. Even Broadcom, fucking Broadcom, supports the appropriate kernel APIs. And proprietary driver users have the gall to reward Nvidia for their behavior by giving them hundreds of dollars for their GPUs, then come to me and ask me to deal with their bullshit for free. Well, fuck you, too. Nvidia users are shitty consumers and I don’t even want them in my userbase. Choose hardware that supports your software, not the other way around. this anger seems misplaced and dare I say, bit entitled
nixpulvis 5y ago
I can understand it. So many tools are developer hostile, we can only take so much.
minroot 5y ago
JetSpiegel 5y ago
> ddevault is an extremely talented developer. I fully agree with this, and that's why every single post of his about the language fills me with dread. It's a complete waste of talent, boiling the ocean, instead of simply "taking over" an existing minor language with his talent. Or just do his thing with Go, or Rust, or any of the other zillion system languages in the world. Emotionally I want to be proven wrong, and see that language thrive, Linux/gcc-style against all odds, but rationally, I think there's only one language that can even approach C-killer levels and that's Rust. If Rust with a literal Evangelism Strike Force can't kill C, then nothing can.

by arittr 5y ago

eterps 5y ago

I could easily mistake that flag for being humorous or tongue-in-cheek instead of hostile.

oceliker 5y ago
Not if you read the author’s blog posts (or just the URL) about it https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html
- hackernewds 5y ago
  This makes it pretty clear. Thanks for clarifying
- hackernewds 5y ago
  > When people complain to me about the lack of Nvidia support in Sway, I get really pissed off. It is not my fucking problem to support Nvidia, it’s Nvidia’s fucking problem to support me. Even Broadcom, fucking Broadcom, supports the appropriate kernel APIs. And proprietary driver users have the gall to reward Nvidia for their behavior by giving them hundreds of dollars for their GPUs, then come to me and ask me to deal with their bullshit for free. Well, fuck you, too. Nvidia users are shitty consumers and I don’t even want them in my userbase. Choose hardware that supports your software, not the other way around. this anger seems misplaced and dare I say, bit entitled

nixpulvis 5y ago

I can understand it. So many tools are developer hostile, we can only take so much.

minroot 5y ago

JetSpiegel 5y ago

> ddevault is an extremely talented developer. I fully agree with this, and that's why every single post of his about the language fills me with dread. It's a complete waste of talent, boiling the ocean, instead of simply "taking over" an existing minor language with his talent. Or just do his thing with Go, or Rust, or any of the other zillion system languages in the world. Emotionally I want to be proven wrong, and see that language thrive, Linux/gcc-style against all odds, but rationally, I think there's only one language that can even approach C-killer levels and that's Rust. If Rust with a literal Evangelism Strike Force can't kill C, then nothing can.