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Isn’t that what video calls are for? Whenever I want to talk to someone and not leave a paper trail I get on a call.

by fotta 5y ago

nerdawson 5y ago
Can you be certain those calls aren’t being saved, whether by a party on the call or the underlying service in use?
- ac29 5y ago
  In many places, including where I live, its illegal to record calls without the consent of all parties on the call. If they are being illegally saved (certainly possible), nothing in them would be admissible in court.
  - ozim 5y ago
    There is whole range of conversations that would never end up in court but if they are recorded can bring a lot of trouble.
  - pests 5y ago
    Where I live, you only need consent of one person (ie: ypu self). But then it changes when you are using company tools. Teams can be configured to automatically record all conversations. The consent is baked into your employment agreement.
LegitShady 5y ago
those calls are easily recorded on the server, your speech transcribed with reasonable accuracy and searchable. Both Zoom and Microsoft Teams offer the live transcribe. Whatever it is, it isn't for 'off the books' conversations.
- crmrc114 5y ago
  Legit why some co-workers and I have signal. Be like- hey can you hit me up on s? (For non work related conversation, or taking about our Plex/emby/jellyfin/home lab meta conversationa)
- Izkata 5y ago
  Or by the other person. There's a new hire on my team who records all his video chats with what I think is a program meant for streaming games, and Meet/Zoom/etc don't recognize it and so can't notify the other person (he mentioned it once and that he uses it instead of taking notes (the only reason I know he does this), and I was just like ???). It's kinda unnerving.
  - jupp0r 5y ago
    You might give them a friendly hint that this might be a criminal offense, depending on the state they or the state their conversation partner is in. In California for example, this can be charged either as a misdemeanor or a felony, both with hefty fines and up to multi-year prison sentences.
throwaway2037 5y ago
Video calls aren't the same as spontaneous in-person communication. I cannot tell you how many times I wanted to have a 2 minute "face-to-face" conversation (via video), only to receive a reply by chat: "Sure, try me tomorrow morning." I think: "Oh nevermind. I'll find someone else." Six months later, I have almost no communication with the people who regularly tell me the same.
- kyriakos 5y ago
  The issue is though that those 2 minute conversations are actually distractions for the people you talk to and in an office setting they don't have the option to avoid them.
  - BeFlatXIII 5y ago
    Or they are 2-minute conversations in the hallways between meetings or spontaneously over lunch. Those two categories are even more important and even more precluded by remote work.
    - kyriakos 5y ago
      Talking of personal experience after a year remote due to covid I went back to office for a single day and I had members of product management team coming to me every 15 mins with questions. I realized they were doing this pre covid and also during remote but the difference in the latter case was that they were using chat and that meant I could prioritise and reply to them asynchronously. Never went back to office after that day. A
- hamandcheese 5y ago
  If it’s not worth it to someone to articulate their thoughts/questions in writing, that is a huge red flag that said person will probably waste much more than a few minutes of my time if I don’t reset their expectations.

Isn’t that what video calls are for? Whenever I want to talk to someone and not leave a paper trail I get on a call.

by fotta 5y ago

Isn’t that what video calls are for? Whenever I want to talk to someone and not leave a paper trail I get on a call.

nerdawson 5y ago

Can you be certain those calls aren’t being saved, whether by a party on the call or the underlying service in use?

ac29 5y ago
In many places, including where I live, its illegal to record calls without the consent of all parties on the call. If they are being illegally saved (certainly possible), nothing in them would be admissible in court.
- ozim 5y ago
  There is whole range of conversations that would never end up in court but if they are recorded can bring a lot of trouble.
- pests 5y ago
  Where I live, you only need consent of one person (ie: ypu self). But then it changes when you are using company tools. Teams can be configured to automatically record all conversations. The consent is baked into your employment agreement.

LegitShady 5y ago

those calls are easily recorded on the server, your speech transcribed with reasonable accuracy and searchable. Both Zoom and Microsoft Teams offer the live transcribe. Whatever it is, it isn't for 'off the books' conversations.

crmrc114 5y ago
Legit why some co-workers and I have signal. Be like- hey can you hit me up on s? (For non work related conversation, or taking about our Plex/emby/jellyfin/home lab meta conversationa)
Izkata 5y ago
Or by the other person. There's a new hire on my team who records all his video chats with what I think is a program meant for streaming games, and Meet/Zoom/etc don't recognize it and so can't notify the other person (he mentioned it once and that he uses it instead of taking notes (the only reason I know he does this), and I was just like ???). It's kinda unnerving.
- jupp0r 5y ago
  You might give them a friendly hint that this might be a criminal offense, depending on the state they or the state their conversation partner is in. In California for example, this can be charged either as a misdemeanor or a felony, both with hefty fines and up to multi-year prison sentences.

throwaway2037 5y ago

Video calls aren't the same as spontaneous in-person communication. I cannot tell you how many times I wanted to have a 2 minute "face-to-face" conversation (via video), only to receive a reply by chat: "Sure, try me tomorrow morning." I think: "Oh nevermind. I'll find someone else." Six months later, I have almost no communication with the people who regularly tell me the same.

kyriakos 5y ago
The issue is though that those 2 minute conversations are actually distractions for the people you talk to and in an office setting they don't have the option to avoid them.
- BeFlatXIII 5y ago
  Or they are 2-minute conversations in the hallways between meetings or spontaneously over lunch. Those two categories are even more important and even more precluded by remote work.
  - kyriakos 5y ago
    Talking of personal experience after a year remote due to covid I went back to office for a single day and I had members of product management team coming to me every 15 mins with questions. I realized they were doing this pre covid and also during remote but the difference in the latter case was that they were using chat and that meant I could prioritise and reply to them asynchronously. Never went back to office after that day. A
hamandcheese 5y ago
If it’s not worth it to someone to articulate their thoughts/questions in writing, that is a huge red flag that said person will probably waste much more than a few minutes of my time if I don’t reset their expectations.