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> It looks very rational to me. Based on...? > Russia felt threatened and attacked. By what? By Ukraine's Bayraktars? If you want me to get off my high hors

> It looks very rational to me. Based on...? > Russia felt threatened and attacked. By what? By Ukraine's Bayraktars? If you want me to get off my high horse, please provide something that can change my position

beebeepka 5y ago
I don't control the media that surrounds you. Cannot change your opinion
- waihtis 5y ago
  I haven't consumed any mainstream media for the past 5 years. Believe it or not I sympathize with the generic Russian citizen's autonomy and interest for retaining their own identity and culture. It's a tremendous shame all this has happened. As a Finn, we could have a great country right next to our border with something completely culturally unique and different from your average European country, which more and more meld culturally into a generic Euro-American amalgamation, indistiguishable from each other. Instead it's turned into a nightmare dictatorship which has now ruined everything above and more importantly has potential life-threatening consequences to me personally and my country. There is nothing here but sorrow for everyone involved.
  - beebeepka 5y ago
    You are just venting. Keep I mind I haven't said Russia is great to its people and neighbours. I am of the opinion that it's not all their fault and there are other bad actors. Worse even.
    - waihtis 5y ago
      You Russian troll factories need a new tactic; this ”no but USA” trope is exceedingly obvious and tired
sdeframond 5y ago
You may find this article interesting https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mearsheimer-on-why-the-west-is-principally-responsible-for-the-ukrainian-crisis https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mear...
- waihtis 5y ago
  No, I don't. This narrative is so ridiculous and obvious Russian war justification propaganda I don't understand how people don't see through it. What the viewpoint is suggesting is that sovereign smaller countries (like Ukraine, Finland, Baltics etc.) shouldn't even allowed to think about making alliances to protect THEIR OWN INTERESTS (Not American, Russian on any other superpowers) lest they anger someone in the process. This guy would rather see smaller independent states swallowed by Russia than provide any kind of resistance. Surely you understand that as a neighbouring country to Russia who has dealt with subtle threats from them for the past 80 years that there's absolutely no kind of sympathy for this viewpoint over here. Kreml's human embodiment resembles a paranoid schizophrenic who thinks everyone is out to "get them" when in reality it's their irrational warmongering that countries want to shield themself from. Or do you really think NATO has some super secret agenda of assembling an offensive for conquering Moscow?
- CRConrad 5y ago

beebeepka 5y ago

I don't control the media that surrounds you. Cannot change your opinion

waihtis 5y ago
I haven't consumed any mainstream media for the past 5 years. Believe it or not I sympathize with the generic Russian citizen's autonomy and interest for retaining their own identity and culture. It's a tremendous shame all this has happened. As a Finn, we could have a great country right next to our border with something completely culturally unique and different from your average European country, which more and more meld culturally into a generic Euro-American amalgamation, indistiguishable from each other. Instead it's turned into a nightmare dictatorship which has now ruined everything above and more importantly has potential life-threatening consequences to me personally and my country. There is nothing here but sorrow for everyone involved.
- beebeepka 5y ago
  You are just venting. Keep I mind I haven't said Russia is great to its people and neighbours. I am of the opinion that it's not all their fault and there are other bad actors. Worse even.
  - waihtis 5y ago
    You Russian troll factories need a new tactic; this ”no but USA” trope is exceedingly obvious and tired

sdeframond 5y ago

You may find this article interesting https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mearsheimer-on-why-the-west-is-principally-responsible-for-the-ukrainian-crisis https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mear...

waihtis 5y ago
No, I don't. This narrative is so ridiculous and obvious Russian war justification propaganda I don't understand how people don't see through it. What the viewpoint is suggesting is that sovereign smaller countries (like Ukraine, Finland, Baltics etc.) shouldn't even allowed to think about making alliances to protect THEIR OWN INTERESTS (Not American, Russian on any other superpowers) lest they anger someone in the process. This guy would rather see smaller independent states swallowed by Russia than provide any kind of resistance. Surely you understand that as a neighbouring country to Russia who has dealt with subtle threats from them for the past 80 years that there's absolutely no kind of sympathy for this viewpoint over here. Kreml's human embodiment resembles a paranoid schizophrenic who thinks everyone is out to "get them" when in reality it's their irrational warmongering that countries want to shield themself from. Or do you really think NATO has some super secret agenda of assembling an offensive for conquering Moscow?
CRConrad 5y ago