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Well,... "Samsung". There's the problem, right there. I wanted to buy a new fridge a couple of years ago, my emphasis/overriding criterion being energy efficie

Well,... "Samsung". There's the problem, right there. I wanted to buy a new fridge a couple of years ago, my emphasis/overriding criterion being energy efficiency. I could get actual energy use stats (not mere "A*" or other bullshit "ratings", based on standard models of use) from every manufacturer I looked at, except Samsung. Noooo, Mr Customer, the best we can tell you is "A*". Well fuck that. Guess what make of fridge I didn't buy...

syshum 5y ago
Samsung is trying really hard to be more anti-consumer than Apple. That takes real effort
cricalix 5y ago
At least in Europe, all manufacturers have to produce a standardised format document specifying things like energy usage. This is how I worked out that a particular Neff model washing machine is the same as a Bosch one, just with a different fascia. Pricing difference at local stores was about 100 EUR between the two, but identical specs and identical "responsible company". What is a bit of a pain is the standard changed in the last few years, so trying to compare an old energy efficiency label that specifies kwh/year and litres/year against one that's per-cycle is .. hard. They also changed the rating system, so what used to be an A-rated TV is now about a D or E rated one.
- yourusername 5y ago
  >They also changed the rating system, so what used to be an A-rated TV is now about a D or E rated one. And what is also introducing confusion is that they are allowed to sell old models under the old energy label but new models have to apply the new label. So you can have a 2020 model fridge labelled "A+++" but the more energy efficient model 2022 model that replaced it is labeled "D".
  - zaarn 5y ago
    I do think the change was necessary because with every device being A++ at minimum, the rating system was largely worthless. Though since the label also includes power usage per year, that is a good guiding line for comparing across the rating change.

syshum 5y ago

Samsung is trying really hard to be more anti-consumer than Apple. That takes real effort

cricalix 5y ago

At least in Europe, all manufacturers have to produce a standardised format document specifying things like energy usage. This is how I worked out that a particular Neff model washing machine is the same as a Bosch one, just with a different fascia. Pricing difference at local stores was about 100 EUR between the two, but identical specs and identical "responsible company". What is a bit of a pain is the standard changed in the last few years, so trying to compare an old energy efficiency label that specifies kwh/year and litres/year against one that's per-cycle is .. hard. They also changed the rating system, so what used to be an A-rated TV is now about a D or E rated one.

yourusername 5y ago
>They also changed the rating system, so what used to be an A-rated TV is now about a D or E rated one. And what is also introducing confusion is that they are allowed to sell old models under the old energy label but new models have to apply the new label. So you can have a 2020 model fridge labelled "A+++" but the more energy efficient model 2022 model that replaced it is labeled "D".
- zaarn 5y ago
  I do think the change was necessary because with every device being A++ at minimum, the rating system was largely worthless. Though since the label also includes power usage per year, that is a good guiding line for comparing across the rating change.