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Right, and those aspects are expensive because they don't have economies of scale because they either don't really want people to use them too much, and if peop

Right, and those aspects are expensive because they don't have economies of scale because they either don't really want people to use them too much, and if people do want to use them they'll squeeze them. They'd rather people scrap machines and get new ones. And even if I then swear off "unreliable" Hotpoint machines and go for Siemens, some Siemens customer will make the reverse trip, so they all profit together. If they all had to provide all the parts at a reasonable cost, they'd figure out a way to get it done. I'm sure Siemens, say, can figure out a way to ship a part by part number efficiently, considering its already on a shelf somewhere. And if you a company don't want to pay for that? Use a standard part. Now it's not your problem. It'll never happen, but it's nice to think about as the world drowns in piles of ruined single-use equipment, while the money spent on replacing them flows endlessly corporate pockets.

sokoloff 5y ago
That’s the thing: they’re already selling the service parts at a reasonable cost. What’s “too cheap” in your situation is the highly automated, continuous conveyance, mass production line that can take in parts by the container load and pump out fully-functioning dishwashers for less than a week’s wages.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  > That’s the thing: they’re already selling the service parts at a reasonable cost What is the basis for this assetion? What data or information have you used to come to this conclusion?
  - sokoloff 5y ago
    That there are a variety of OEM and third-party parts suppliers to choose from and when I buy appliance parts, I frequently find them to be “pretty what I expect them to cost as compared to automobile service parts”. This is not a monopolized supply chain. The last appliance part I bought was the motor for my gas dryer. Several parts places had it. Amazon had the best price by a small amount and I got an exact fit OE motor in 2 days for $114. A year later, that price has soared to $109 and is now available for next-day delivery. How much less do you think it should possibly cost to be able to order an exact fit ~10 pound, ~1/3 HP dryer motor on a Sunday for Monday delivery? $109 seems like an incredible bargain to me, even if Amazon and Frigidaire pocketed $20 each of pure, obscene profit. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0053Y3A8M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_HBNCZMQZ8ZJNAWFS58RX?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0053Y3A8M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_...
- Schroedingersat 5y ago
  They can just put every tenth one in the box unassembled. Problem solved.
newaccount74 5y ago
Bosch/Siemens actually have really good website for buying spare parts and they sell them at reasonable prices even to consumers, and even for things that cost <50€.

sokoloff 5y ago

That’s the thing: they’re already selling the service parts at a reasonable cost. What’s “too cheap” in your situation is the highly automated, continuous conveyance, mass production line that can take in parts by the container load and pump out fully-functioning dishwashers for less than a week’s wages.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
> That’s the thing: they’re already selling the service parts at a reasonable cost What is the basis for this assetion? What data or information have you used to come to this conclusion?
- sokoloff 5y ago
  That there are a variety of OEM and third-party parts suppliers to choose from and when I buy appliance parts, I frequently find them to be “pretty what I expect them to cost as compared to automobile service parts”. This is not a monopolized supply chain. The last appliance part I bought was the motor for my gas dryer. Several parts places had it. Amazon had the best price by a small amount and I got an exact fit OE motor in 2 days for $114. A year later, that price has soared to $109 and is now available for next-day delivery. How much less do you think it should possibly cost to be able to order an exact fit ~10 pound, ~1/3 HP dryer motor on a Sunday for Monday delivery? $109 seems like an incredible bargain to me, even if Amazon and Frigidaire pocketed $20 each of pure, obscene profit. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0053Y3A8M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_HBNCZMQZ8ZJNAWFS58RX?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0053Y3A8M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_...
Schroedingersat 5y ago
They can just put every tenth one in the box unassembled. Problem solved.

newaccount74 5y ago

Bosch/Siemens actually have really good website for buying spare parts and they sell them at reasonable prices even to consumers, and even for things that cost <50€.