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Anything that justifies it. You still see people claim that losing the headphone jack on the iPhone was "worth it" so it could be waterproof without port covers

Anything that justifies it. You still see people claim that losing the headphone jack on the iPhone was "worth it" so it could be waterproof without port covers despite the fact phones with both already existed before it. So expect a lot of claims about how people NEED their laptop to be 1 cm thick, that by not having a removable battery it can have more battery, etc.

Multicomp 5y ago
I still look to the Galaxy S5 Active[1] for a phone that puts to the lie the claims that smart devices need to entirely lose ports and functionality in order to be water resistant. Tidily enough it had all 3 of the so-called 'must go' features and was still water resistant. 1. MicroSD card 1. Headphone Jack 1. Removable battery If it was possible in 2014 and the days of Micro USB, it's possible today. [1] https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_active-6356.php https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_active-6356.php
- Bud 5y ago
  "Water resistant" is a meaningless, vague term, of course. The question is how resistant. That phone was IP67 rated. Current iPhones are IP68 rated, which is markedly superior.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    'Superior' is meaningless, vague judgement of course. The questions are how resistant does it need to be, and how resistant can it be? Does anyone care that iPhone is IP68 instead of IP67? Does anything stop you drom making a phone with a headphone jack and microSD card that will survive submersion to the depth of 2 miles?
  - raron 5y ago
    The S9+ is IP68, it has MicroSD, USB type-C and headphone jack (unfortunately no user-replaceable battery).
  - tobias2014 5y ago
    IP67 is as "waterproof" / "immersion proof" as IP68. Both must withstand 1 meter immersion depth up to 30 minutes. The only advantage as far as I can tell is up to the manufaturer "The test depth and duration is expected to be greater than the requirements for IPx7": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
  - Tams80 5y ago
    Ummm, you chose one of the standards that compared to the tier below it is only differentiated by manufacturers' own specifications.
  - bongoman37 5y ago
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hughrr 5y ago
On the 3.5mm jack front I spent the 80s, 90s and 00s living with crackly ass headphone jacks on stuff. I’m glad they have died finally. My MacBook battery is replaceable. I don’t want removable as I don’t ever swap batteries. These aren’t losses. They are whimpers from people who are living through rose tinted glasses.
- goosedragons 5y ago
  Yeah. Bluetooth sound quality is perfect. Never ever drops out, has static, never sounds compressed either and you certainly don't have to consider what codecs and versions both devices support to get the best listening experience. Is your MacBook battery easily replaceable or is glued in making it a danger to be removed by an amateur at home? And even if you never swap batteries how does having it removable effect you really?
  - hughrr 5y ago
    Can’t say I’ve ever had those problems. It just works here. I’ve got a 14” MBP. It has pull tags and is easy to replace. I’d still take it in apple store to get it replaced.
    - goosedragons 5y ago
      And I've never had crackly ass headphone jacks. Just works here. Pull tabs are only slightly better. If the tabs break you're just back to prying off adhesive and the tabs do break if you're not careful. And what are you going to do in 7 years when you're trying to get it working as a laptop for your kid or something and Apple tells you they no longer service that model as it's "vintage"?
      - hughrr 5y ago
        My kids have current, supported Apple computers. I've also replaced several batteries in Apple products, even without pull tabs and it's not difficult. Regarding replacements, my mother's 6s just got a second new battery last month and it's still supported after 7 years.

Multicomp 5y ago

I still look to the Galaxy S5 Active[1] for a phone that puts to the lie the claims that smart devices need to entirely lose ports and functionality in order to be water resistant. Tidily enough it had all 3 of the so-called 'must go' features and was still water resistant. 1. MicroSD card 1. Headphone Jack 1. Removable battery If it was possible in 2014 and the days of Micro USB, it's possible today. [1] https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_active-6356.php https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_active-6356.php

Bud 5y ago
"Water resistant" is a meaningless, vague term, of course. The question is how resistant. That phone was IP67 rated. Current iPhones are IP68 rated, which is markedly superior.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  'Superior' is meaningless, vague judgement of course. The questions are how resistant does it need to be, and how resistant can it be? Does anyone care that iPhone is IP68 instead of IP67? Does anything stop you drom making a phone with a headphone jack and microSD card that will survive submersion to the depth of 2 miles?
- raron 5y ago
  The S9+ is IP68, it has MicroSD, USB type-C and headphone jack (unfortunately no user-replaceable battery).
- tobias2014 5y ago
  IP67 is as "waterproof" / "immersion proof" as IP68. Both must withstand 1 meter immersion depth up to 30 minutes. The only advantage as far as I can tell is up to the manufaturer "The test depth and duration is expected to be greater than the requirements for IPx7": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
- Tams80 5y ago
  Ummm, you chose one of the standards that compared to the tier below it is only differentiated by manufacturers' own specifications.
- bongoman37 5y ago
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hughrr 5y ago

On the 3.5mm jack front I spent the 80s, 90s and 00s living with crackly ass headphone jacks on stuff. I’m glad they have died finally. My MacBook battery is replaceable. I don’t want removable as I don’t ever swap batteries. These aren’t losses. They are whimpers from people who are living through rose tinted glasses.

goosedragons 5y ago
Yeah. Bluetooth sound quality is perfect. Never ever drops out, has static, never sounds compressed either and you certainly don't have to consider what codecs and versions both devices support to get the best listening experience. Is your MacBook battery easily replaceable or is glued in making it a danger to be removed by an amateur at home? And even if you never swap batteries how does having it removable effect you really?
- hughrr 5y ago
  Can’t say I’ve ever had those problems. It just works here. I’ve got a 14” MBP. It has pull tags and is easy to replace. I’d still take it in apple store to get it replaced.
  - goosedragons 5y ago
    And I've never had crackly ass headphone jacks. Just works here. Pull tabs are only slightly better. If the tabs break you're just back to prying off adhesive and the tabs do break if you're not careful. And what are you going to do in 7 years when you're trying to get it working as a laptop for your kid or something and Apple tells you they no longer service that model as it's "vintage"?
    - hughrr 5y ago
      My kids have current, supported Apple computers. I've also replaced several batteries in Apple products, even without pull tabs and it's not difficult. Regarding replacements, my mother's 6s just got a second new battery last month and it's still supported after 7 years.