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Do we need to have a vaccine contrarian every damn thread posted on this forum and anywhere else on the Internet? We as a society have been over this for 2 year

Do we need to have a vaccine contrarian every damn thread posted on this forum and anywhere else on the Internet? We as a society have been over this for 2 years, and every time it's the same ignorant arguments that keep being debunked, and like clockwork every time there's someone ready to voice their pet opinion about the pandemic that goes against any research and common sense. It's like the hellish version of xkcd's lucky 10,000. I guess it was your turn today.

native_samples 5y ago
Yes, we do, because the contrarians are correct, again. Just like they were in 2020 when everyone arguing that lockdowns weren't working were getting downvoted to hell and yelled at for "disinformation", just like when they pointed out that the models were based on stupid assumptions and that mask mandates weren't having any observable effect. The vaccines are useless against Omicron. They don't stop people getting it. They appear to make no difference to severity (it was 25% vaxxed South Africa that pointed out everyone getting it had mild symptoms). That is a stone cold fact. Indeed it appears to actually be the opposite - the UK, one of the only countries that publishes actual case rate data (instead of TNCC positivity ratio comparisons), shows that people who are vaccinated get Omicron at a much higher rate than those who aren't. The cause is probably an immune priming/training effect. That data is real though, it's not something you can make disappear by throwing a hissy fit when someone points it out.
dragonsh 5y ago
> a vaccine contrarian My response was related to above post regarding Sinovac given Pfizer and Moderna are similar against Omicron. Not a vaccine contrarian just one of the person who got infected after booster shot, will take a vaccine again but science has one trait which is self correction and overwhelming data shows that Omicron is mild whether vaccinated or not vaccinated. So its better to do a clinical trials and studies not funded by Pharma industry or interest groups, objectively to determine if Omicron played a pivotal role and not vaccine in reducing Covid-19 fatality globally.

native_samples 5y ago

Yes, we do, because the contrarians are correct, again. Just like they were in 2020 when everyone arguing that lockdowns weren't working were getting downvoted to hell and yelled at for "disinformation", just like when they pointed out that the models were based on stupid assumptions and that mask mandates weren't having any observable effect. The vaccines are useless against Omicron. They don't stop people getting it. They appear to make no difference to severity (it was 25% vaxxed South Africa that pointed out everyone getting it had mild symptoms). That is a stone cold fact. Indeed it appears to actually be the opposite - the UK, one of the only countries that publishes actual case rate data (instead of TNCC positivity ratio comparisons), shows that people who are vaccinated get Omicron at a much higher rate than those who aren't. The cause is probably an immune priming/training effect. That data is real though, it's not something you can make disappear by throwing a hissy fit when someone points it out.

dragonsh 5y ago

> a vaccine contrarian My response was related to above post regarding Sinovac given Pfizer and Moderna are similar against Omicron. Not a vaccine contrarian just one of the person who got infected after booster shot, will take a vaccine again but science has one trait which is self correction and overwhelming data shows that Omicron is mild whether vaccinated or not vaccinated. So its better to do a clinical trials and studies not funded by Pharma industry or interest groups, objectively to determine if Omicron played a pivotal role and not vaccine in reducing Covid-19 fatality globally.