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I understand the lure to link to forums, but this one is particularly light on details; the only hard info about the law(s) is a link to the text itself. This i

by judge2020 5y ago

I understand the lure to link to forums, but this one is particularly light on details; the only hard info about the law(s) is a link to the text itself. This is pretty important since the carve-outs will make or break this bill, because I doubt user replaceable batteries will be mandated for a pacemaker, electric vehicle, or high-volume home energy storage equipment like RESU battery.

archi42 5y ago
I don't like the link either. But a quick Google search didn't bring up a good English speaking source (yesterday), so I can understand tomte linking to the eevblog forums. This was published yesterday by Golem [1] (German tech news) and two days ago by the FAZ [2] (respectable German news outlet). While both might be better links, they're in German. You can try Google Translate or DeepL, which usually work pretty well. Since this is happening on the EU level there will eventually be official translations of their plans; as well as international coverage. [1] https://www.golem.de/news/nachhaltigkeit-eu-parlament-beschliesst-verbot-fest-verbauter-akkus-2203-163803.html https://www.golem.de/news/nachhaltigkeit-eu-parlament-beschl... [2] https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/eu-parlament-will-festverklebte-handy-akkus-verbieten-17867864.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/eu-parlament-will-fes...
toyg 5y ago
EU directives can be relatively light on details, at times, because they are meant to be made more explicit at the national level; the ECJ will eventually rule on the spirit of the law anyway, as soon as somebody appeals a judgement to them. Obviously a degree of common sense will be applied (i.e. peacemakers), but EV should definitely be a target - you can replace a car battery today, why should it not be possible tomorrow?
AshamedCaptain 5y ago
I don't even see the link to the text itself. I watched the EP parliament press release on Wednesday and the actual proposal is nowhere near what these headlines are saying. It has more to do about tracking components during battery manufacturing to ensure that the ecological cost is appropriately reported, that they do not come from conflict regions, promote alternatives to rare earths, etc.

archi42 5y ago

I don't like the link either. But a quick Google search didn't bring up a good English speaking source (yesterday), so I can understand tomte linking to the eevblog forums. This was published yesterday by Golem [1] (German tech news) and two days ago by the FAZ [2] (respectable German news outlet). While both might be better links, they're in German. You can try Google Translate or DeepL, which usually work pretty well. Since this is happening on the EU level there will eventually be official translations of their plans; as well as international coverage. [1] https://www.golem.de/news/nachhaltigkeit-eu-parlament-beschliesst-verbot-fest-verbauter-akkus-2203-163803.html https://www.golem.de/news/nachhaltigkeit-eu-parlament-beschl... [2] https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/eu-parlament-will-festverklebte-handy-akkus-verbieten-17867864.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/eu-parlament-will-fes...

toyg 5y ago

EU directives can be relatively light on details, at times, because they are meant to be made more explicit at the national level; the ECJ will eventually rule on the spirit of the law anyway, as soon as somebody appeals a judgement to them. Obviously a degree of common sense will be applied (i.e. peacemakers), but EV should definitely be a target - you can replace a car battery today, why should it not be possible tomorrow?

AshamedCaptain 5y ago

I don't even see the link to the text itself. I watched the EP parliament press release on Wednesday and the actual proposal is nowhere near what these headlines are saying. It has more to do about tracking components during battery manufacturing to ensure that the ecological cost is appropriately reported, that they do not come from conflict regions, promote alternatives to rare earths, etc.