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I was under the impression that Istio and Envoy are significantly driven by Tetrate (https://www.tetrate.io/ https://www.tetrate.io/), which in my understanding

I was under the impression that Istio and Envoy are significantly driven by Tetrate (https://www.tetrate.io/ https://www.tetrate.io/), which in my understanding was started by the Istio creators and sells enterprise editions of the two solutions [1]. So yeah it's open source, I can fork it and that's nice, but let's be honest Tetrate aims to monetize these products. Not saying this can't work and be great for the community at the same time, but I'm at least a bit skeptical. 1: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210310005295/en/Tetrate-Started-by-Istio-Founders-Raises-40-Million-to-Help-Enterprises-With-Cloud-Native-Application-Networking-Platform https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210310005295/en/Tet...

bassarid 5y ago
I've been running Istio for years and have never heard of Tetrate. Tetrate might be started by people who originally worked on Istio, but Istio itself is primarily driven by Google. Istio development is primarily driven by its steering committee [0][1], which is led by Google. If you look at the contributors [2], 6 of the top 10 are Google employees (perhaps more - not everyone lists their employer on GitHub). They have an open design process, posting design documents and similar to their Google Drive [3]. The team is likewise active at community events, where they solicit input that drives what they work on. [0]: https://istio.io/latest/blog/2020/steering-changes/ https://istio.io/latest/blog/2020/steering-changes/ [1]: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dt-h9s8G7Wyt4r16ZVqcmdWXDuCaPC0kPS21BuAfCL8/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dt-h9s8G7Wyt4r16ZVqc... [2]: https://github.com/istio/istio/graphs/contributors https://github.com/istio/istio/graphs/contributors [3]: https://istio.io/latest/get-involved/ https://istio.io/latest/get-involved/
rdli 5y ago
Envoy was originally written by Matt Klein @ Lyft, and the IP is owned by the Cloud Native Computing Foundation. Here's the initial video where Matt Klein introduces Envoy: https://www.microservices.com/talks/lyfts-envoy-monolith-service-mesh-matt-klein/ https://www.microservices.com/talks/lyfts-envoy-monolith-ser.... If you want to buy commercial support for Envoy & Istio, Tetrate certainly is an option. (Note: I am/was the CEO at Ambassador Labs, which organized the Microservices Practitioner Summit where this talk occurred.)

bassarid 5y ago

I've been running Istio for years and have never heard of Tetrate. Tetrate might be started by people who originally worked on Istio, but Istio itself is primarily driven by Google. Istio development is primarily driven by its steering committee [0][1], which is led by Google. If you look at the contributors [2], 6 of the top 10 are Google employees (perhaps more - not everyone lists their employer on GitHub). They have an open design process, posting design documents and similar to their Google Drive [3]. The team is likewise active at community events, where they solicit input that drives what they work on. [0]: https://istio.io/latest/blog/2020/steering-changes/ https://istio.io/latest/blog/2020/steering-changes/ [1]: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dt-h9s8G7Wyt4r16ZVqcmdWXDuCaPC0kPS21BuAfCL8/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dt-h9s8G7Wyt4r16ZVqc... [2]: https://github.com/istio/istio/graphs/contributors https://github.com/istio/istio/graphs/contributors [3]: https://istio.io/latest/get-involved/ https://istio.io/latest/get-involved/

rdli 5y ago

Envoy was originally written by Matt Klein @ Lyft, and the IP is owned by the Cloud Native Computing Foundation. Here's the initial video where Matt Klein introduces Envoy: https://www.microservices.com/talks/lyfts-envoy-monolith-service-mesh-matt-klein/ https://www.microservices.com/talks/lyfts-envoy-monolith-ser.... If you want to buy commercial support for Envoy & Istio, Tetrate certainly is an option. (Note: I am/was the CEO at Ambassador Labs, which organized the Microservices Practitioner Summit where this talk occurred.)